Kirill Marchenko - the here and now addition needed imho

[sabrefanday1]

Just now, Flashsabre said:

I mean Knies for Marchenko is pretty much a wash. It’s not making one team way better.

Leafs have been determined to move Knies for a while. Funny if they go for each other when the Habs at different points were considered favourites to acquire both players

Yeah odd their hate for Knies? Seems like a pretty darn good player with good size. Maybe something with him we don't see?

[tom webster]

Just now, Flashsabre said:

I mean Knies for Marchenko is pretty much a wash. It’s not making one team way better.

Leafs have been determined to move Knies for a while. Funny if they go for each other when the Habs at different points were considered favourites to acquire both players

Marchenko is significantly better then Knies. Knies is a good supplemental piece, Marchenko is going to be a star.

[French Collection]

11 minutes ago, tom webster said:

Marchenko is significantly better then Knies. Knies is a good supplemental piece, Marchenko is going to be a star.

Don’t know how much upside he has, 26 years old and 300 games, but he is in his prime. He hasn’t played with much talent other than Gaudreau and Werenski so there could be a bump with a guy like Matthews.

[mjd1001]

16 minutes ago, tom webster said:

Marchenko is significantly better then Knies. Knies is a good supplemental piece, Marchenko is going to be a star.

I know some of us beleive, and I have said this a lot before:  Knies, so far in his career, is a product of playing with Austin Matthews.

When he is with anyone else (even Tavares, Marner and/or Nylander) his numbers and production drop like a rock.  And that is with a couple year, number of games sample size. It will be interesting to see how he does without Matthews.

[PerreaultForever]

So Leafs think adding Marchenko takes them back to when they had Marner. Well, he's a good player, but their defense still sucks and their goaltending has a short shelf life so good luck with that. 

[Flashsabre]

I don’t see it but if others think Marchenko is significantly better then so be it

[French Collection]

52 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

So Leafs think adding Marchenko takes them back to when they had Marner. Well, he's a good player, but their defense still sucks and their goaltending has a short shelf life so good luck with that. 

Plus they have to give up something to get him, not a straight addition.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

So Leafs think adding Marchenko takes them back to when they had Marner. Well, he's a good player, but their defense still sucks and their goaltending has a short shelf life so good luck with that. 

Mitch marner: 4 90 plus point seasons. Penalty killer, votes for selke as best defensive forward.

Marchenko: career high 74 points. Not trusted to penalty kill or be on the ice late in games protecting leads. Decent career plus-minus, but his advanced defensive stats in many cases no where near Marner.

Marchenko isn't a youngster either. He should be nearing, or at, his statistical prime. This is his 5th season and he is 26 now.

And $12.5m per year for him?  Better turn into an annual near 40+goal scorer WITH the best play of his career away from the puck.

Edited September 28 by mjd1001

[ponokasabre]

 

[Huckleberry]

Just now, ponokasabre said:

 

So they going to pay him 13.5 mill while Knies is on a good deal.   Honestly contact CBJ and go after Knies now.

Krebs Mrtka and 1st.

[Huckleberry]

Honestly though I like the Miles Wood addition in any bottom 6.

[ponokasabre]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

Honestly though I like the Miles Wood addition in any bottom 6.

Miles Wood has been terrible the last few years 

Colorado benched him and wouldn’t even play him in the playoffs and Columbus just waived him yesterday too, he is a shell of his former self 

and I loved Miles Wood 

4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

So they going to pay him 13.5 mill while Knies is on a good deal.   Honestly contact CBJ and go after Knies now.

Krebs Mrtka and 1st.

Extended at 12.5 per year 

[Flashsabre]

Knies for Marchenko with garbage thrown in.

Friedman said Wood was untradeable and if you wanted Marchenko you had to take Wood. Toronto talking heads have all said Andrae looked awful in camp. Lorentz was already out on waivers.

So the question is now is Marchenko at $12.5 million more valuable then Knies at $7.5 million or

Edited September 28 by Flashsabre

[Huckleberry]

So CBJ came out better 🙂

[LGR4GM]

Toronto... lol. You need a legit defense and some depth. 

[mjd1001]

So Marchenko's new deal starts NEXT year (almost a $9m raise per season), yet it looks like, at the moment, Toronto has to make some moves or put someone on LTIR because it shows they are currently $5m over the cap right now.

Matthews has one more year left on his deal. Radysh and Rile on D are getting paid $16m between them and they are both over 30. Nylander is over 30. Tavares isn't getting paid a ton but he might not have much left in the tank in a year or so.  Toronto is really going for it this year and next year.

I don't blame them. If they need a rebuild, no reason to start it early when you can push chips forward on the table for the next 2 years, but wow, they need to do it in the next season or two.

Edited September 28 by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

So Marchenko's new deal starts NEXT year (almost a $9m raise per season), yet it looks like, at the moment, Toronto has to make some moves or put someone on LTIR because it shows they are currently $5m over the cap right now.

Domi, Merzlikens, and Joshua are all on ir. Ik at least Domi and Joshua have been for a bit. 

[Flashsabre]

Looks like Leafs are almost $4 million over the cap. They are paying Merzlekins $4.3 million and Stolarz $3.75 million as backups so maybe they have a deal with one of them leaving

[mjd1001]

On a side note about Columbus, I don't understand why its such an undesireable market for so many players (we hear).

Its a mid sized city (Bigger than Buffalo for sure).  The arena is getting pretty old but its a nice Arena in a pretty good entertainment district (at leat the last time I was there a few years ago). Maybe its not as 'upscale' as multi-million dollar athletes want, but their strip on High street with restaurants and clubs is like Elmwood in Buffalo but a little bigger/longer and a little nicer. The city is fairly affordable. Travel isn't an issue (you certainly aren't doing as many miles as if you lived in the western Canadian Cities).  I would think its a good-center of the league market.  But the stories we hear have players treating playing there like having to play for a non-playoff Winnipeg or Calgary team in the middle of winter.

Edited September 28 by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

13 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Looks like Leafs are almost $4 million over the cap. They are paying Merzlekins $4.3 million and Stolarz $3.75 million as backups so maybe they have a deal with one of them leaving

Columbus retained 18% 

[Doohickie]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

So Leafs think adding Marchenko takes them back to when they had Marner. Well, he's a good player, but their defense still sucks and their goaltending has a short shelf life so good luck with that. 

...just like when they hard Marner.

[Flashsabre]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Columbus retained 18% 

Yeah that’s the $4.3 million. He is making like $5.4 million.

The Leafs just refuse to acquire quality dmen. Knies is the one trade chip they could use to acquire one but instead trade him for a similar winger they are paying $5 million more.

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, French Collection said:

Plus they have to give up something to get him, not a straight addition.

Ya although Marchenko is the more skilled player I think Knies is a really good complementary player for Fantilli. 

[GoPuckYourself]

Man I really liked Marchenko, oh well now he sucks! 😀

[Pimlach]

6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

So Leafs think adding Marchenko takes them back to when they had Marner. Well, he's a good player, but their defense still sucks and their goaltending has a short shelf life so good luck with that. 

But they are improving by adding him.  It’s a great move by the Leaves.