Sabres Acquire The 4th Overall Pick, 45 Overall Pick and Defenseman Louis Crevier to Chicago for Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway

[Brawndo]

 

Jarmo did meet with Darren Ferris at the combine, reportedly his ask is north of 10 million AAV

Edited June 24 by Brawndo

[DarthEbriate]

They should by lining up. He showed well in the playoffs once again. 

[Eleven]

I don't like this.

[inkman]

4 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

Jarmo did meet with Darren Ferris at the combine, reportedly his ask is north of 10 million AAV

I can't imagine a scenario where the Sabres can pay 3 dmen 8+ mill a season.  

[Hoss]

Friendly reminder of how much this was pushed last offseason, as well. 

Multiple reporters on multiple occasions suggested things were "heating up" and even getting close for nothing to happen. That doesn't mean those reports weren't true and we just held onto Byram, but I wonder how much of this all is just Ferris pushing the buttons to either get an above-market deal or get his player to a team willing to sign that deal.

Just now, inkman said:

I can't imagine a scenario where the Sabres can pay 3 dmen 8+ mill a season.  

Hey old friend, this has long been my thinking, too. I also think we can't ignore the few black hole games Byram had against Montreal.

[inkman]

This does make a Thomas & Parayko deal seem plausible. Get the top line center, include a short term replacement for Bo in the Top 4.  

[mjd1001]

10 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

 

Jarmo did meet with Darren Ferris at the combine, reportedly his ask is north of 10 million AAV

If he's looking for over $10m per year... Then certainly listen to offers. 

I like BB as a very good 2nd pair guy. I don't like him if I'm paying him like a first pair guy. 

It's probably more complicated than this, but I pay him $10m per year before I give it to Tuch. The choice is probably not binary though. I'd really be interested in what these other teams are offering.

[LGR4GM]

Alright twist my arm St Louis. I will trade you Byram, Ostulnd, 20th, and Mrtka for Thomas and Carbonneau. I am joking... kinda. 

[inkman]

Then there is this: 

 

[thewookie1]

Just now, inkman said:

Then there is this: 

 

God no,I don't even like Knies

 

Also.... how is Byram getting offer sheeted exactly lol?

[Taro T]

Just now, inkman said:

Then there is this: 

 

 

Over pay for a W that needs an elite C to be what you're hoping he'll be and break up your big 4 on D.  What's not to love about THAT?

 

(Just shoot us all now, if that actually happens.)

[mjd1001]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

God no,I don't even like Knies

 

Also.... how is Byram getting offer sheeted exactly lol?

I agree. At this point I don't really want any part of Knies.

[ponokasabre]

I mean it does make a ton of sense Byram for Knies makes so much sense

 

its just what do we have to add? Cause I dont think Byram with one year left is on the exact same value as Knies extended on a great contract

So would Byram extend with the Leafs?

Or do we have to add?

[Taro T]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

God no,I don't even like Knies

 

Also.... how is Byram getting offer sheeted exactly lol?

Weren't the offer sheet rumors from LAST season prior to him signing the 2 year bridge deal?

[Taro T]

Just now, ponokasabre said:

I mean it does make a ton of sense Byram for Knies makes so much sense

 

its just what do we have to add? Cause I dont think Byram with one year left is on the exact same value as Knies extended on a great contract

So would Byram extend with the Leafs?

Or do we have to add?

Knies at $7.75/ for the next 5 years is a great contract?

You clearly believe his stat sheets are due to him alone and not a product of his linemates.  We do not agree on that.

[thewookie1]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

Weren't the offer sheet rumors from LAST season prior to him signing the 2 year bridge deal?

I believe so but how he phrased it didn't sound like that lol

[dudacek]

32 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I don't like this.

Me neither. A summer of Brière and Drury repeat starring Tuch and Byram was my worst fear.

29 minutes ago, inkman said:

I can't imagine a scenario where the Sabres can pay 3 dmen 8+ mill a season.  

I can. Pretty easy to do with the way the cap is going and what they’re paying Tage.

29 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Friendly reminder of how much this was pushed last offseason, as well. 

Multiple reporters on multiple occasions suggested things were "heating up" and even getting close for nothing to happen. That doesn't mean those reports weren't true and we just held onto Byram, but I wonder how much of this all is just Ferris pushing the buttons to either get an above-market deal or get his player to a team willing to sign that deal.

Hey old friend, this has long been my thinking, too. I also think we can't ignore the few black hole games Byram had against Montreal.

Dreger has been a notable Ferris water carrier over the years.

Hopefully it’s noise aimed at getting Bo an extravagant contract in Buffalo, not at getting Bo moved.

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree. At this point I don't really want any part of Knies.

I like Knies: he fills the Tuch hole at considerable cap savings and a better age window.

Not at the price of Bo though.

[elijah]

The idea of resigning Bo at $7M-$8M and locking up that top 4 defense for a long time was very intriguing

The report of Bo asking for $10M+ made that idea not very intriguing. I don’t mind moving Bo for another legitimate top 6 forward, as long as it doesn’t come with the ramification of signing Stanley to top 4 money and playing him top 4 minutes

[DarthEbriate]

Is Knies today where Tuch was when the Eichel trade took place? Except of course, Tuch was protected by Stone and ...whoever was on the misfits 2nd line with Karlsson that season...  while Knies was on a TOR team that had Matthews out injured and the rest of the roster was collapsing. 

Because Tuch wasn't necessarily ready be a 1st liner, but he blossomed in the opportunity.

[ponokasabre]

Just now, elijah said:

The idea of resigning Bo at $7M-$8M and locking up that top 4 defense for a long time was very intriguing

The report of Bo asking for $10M+ made that idea not very intriguing. I don’t mind moving Bo for another legitimate top 6 forward, as long as it doesn’t come with the ramification of signing Stanley to top 4 money and playing him top 4 minutes

I mean thats the big worry, its why I am a bit mad they traded Kesserling, cause if they trade Bo for Knies you could have had Kesserling step into the d core

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

I mean thats the big worry, its why I am a bit mad they traded Kesserling, cause if they trade Bo for Knies you could have had Kesserling step into the d core

Or you can just put Timmins next to Power and find a 5/6 to play with Metsa. 

9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Me neither. A summer of Brière and Drury repeat starring Tuch and Byram was my worst fear.

I can. Pretty easy to do with the way the cap is going and what they’re paying Tage.

Dreger has been a notable Ferris water carrier over the years.

Hopefully it’s noise aimed at getting Bo an extravagant contract in Buffalo, not at getting Bo moved.

I like Knies: he fills the Tuch hole at considerable cap savings and a better age window.

Not at the price of Bo though.

As Hoss noted this is from last summer when Byram was available. 

[jahnyc]

Does it make sense to trade Kesselring for so little if you also will be trading Byram?  Wouldn't make sense to me to lose both Tuch and Byram this offseason given the success the team had last season.  Team chemistry/composition is important.

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Is Knies today where Tuch was when the Eichel trade took place? Except of course, Tuch was protected by Stone and ...whoever was on the misfits 2nd line with Karlsson that season...  while Knies was on a TOR team that had Matthews out injured and the rest of the roster was collapsing. 

Because Tuch wasn't necessarily ready be a 1st liner, but he blossomed in the opportunity.

Knies is ahead of where Tuch was at the time of the Eichel trade.

Tuch was 25, with seasons of 37, 52, 17 and 33 points with a history of injury.

Knies is 23 with seasons of 35, 58 and 66.

In terms of cap percentage and term remaining at the time, the two players are on similar deals.

Knies is 230 and gets to the net. He is also a lifelong pal of Josh Doan.

[DarthEbriate]

Just now, dudacek said:

Knies is ahead of where Tuch was at the time of the Eichel trade.

Tuch was 25, with seasons of 37, 52, 17 and 33 points with a history of injury.

Knies is 23 with seasons of 35, 58 and 66.

In terms of cap percentage and term remaining at the time, the two players are on similar deals.

Knies is 230 and gets to the net. He is also a lifelong pal of Josh Doan.

Right, but Knies has already had that opportunity to be on 1st line/PP1. And at 23 -- does his overall game still have room to grow (regardless of whether he's on Matthews' wing or not)? I would think yes.

[ponokasabre]

Knies would be a real add, make no mistake about it

Everything about him fits with what we want to do

I am fine giving Byram up for Knies

How do we replace a Byram on the back end is my only concern

It just feels like so much change on a team that was one goal away from the Eastern Conference final