Fansince70 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: As if that was guaranteed. Nothing's guaranteed. VGK, like it or not, shot their shot and it was a bullseye. Quote
Fansince70 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Mr. MVP said: I don’t know man. I’m seeing a couple people including Helenius in a package for Thomas and I’m starting to think Helenius is going to become better than him in 2-3 years. Helenius might be better sooner than that. 1 1 1 1 Quote
RPop Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Taro T said: Don't know. Maybe the team and the town would've welcomed him. But Cole Beasley was essentially run out of town. And Matt Azaria was essentially run out of town. Heck going back much further, Pat O'Toole was essentially run out of town. Would've been quite surprised had the Sabres made a play on Hart. Cole Beasley for bad rapping? 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said: Frankly, I'm still waiting for him to ask a "meaty" question to either the GM or HC. I think the only possibly controversial question he's ever asked with earlier this year about putting Malenstyn on the PP....which Ruff scoffed at. He doesn't ask TOUGH questions....let alone break a story. He asks terrible questions of players in the locker room post game. Stupid "how does it feel" nonsense. 52 minutes ago, Fansince70 said: Nothing's guaranteed. VGK, like it or not, shot their shot and it was a bullseye. We'll see if it lasts against a higher level of competition. Quote
RETURNTOGLORY Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 10 hours ago, JohnC said: What pairing would you put him on? Right now it seems that the top two pairs are established. A Parayko deal might make sense if Byram was dealt to fill another need. You're assuming Tuch stays?🤔 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 Parayko didn't want to come here so why would anyone want to keep trying to get him here? Now Thomas, everybody wants him. Is he even on the market? We have the assets but do we want to get into a bidding war for anybody? Tough call. I'd overpay to get him but within reason. NOT trading Benson, Doan, Helenius, Östlund, Dahlin , Not even considering it if any of them are involved unless it's for McJesus or Cellebrini then maybe it's up for consideration. Preferred trade for Thomas, Norris, Kulich, Kesselring and a top 10 protected first in 2028. A more than reasonable overpay imo. Possibly more viable deal, McLeod, Quinn, Kesselring and a first. If you make either happen, your centers next year are Thomas, Helenius, Norris/McLeod, Carrick in that order. Östlund plays the wing. If they trade Helenius or Benson I might quit. 4 1 1 1 Quote
JohnC Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 7 hours ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: You're assuming Tuch stays?🤔 No I am not. I have no clue how the Tuch issue plays out. If he can’t be signed then use some of the slotted money 💰 either for in-house players or another player from the market. 1 Quote
freester Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Parayko didn't want to come here so why would anyone want to keep trying to get him here? Now Thomas, everybody wants him. Is he even on the market? We have the assets but do we want to get into a bidding war for anybody? Tough call. I'd overpay to get him but within reason. NOT trading Benson, Doan, Helenius, Östlund, Dahlin , Not even considering it if any of them are involved unless it's for McJesus or Cellebrini then maybe it's up for consideration. Preferred trade for Thomas, Norris, Kulich, Kesselring and a top 10 protected first in 2028. A more than reasonable overpay imo. Possibly more viable deal, McLeod, Quinn, Kesselring and a first. If you make either happen, your centers next year are Thomas, Helenius, Norris/McLeod, Carrick in that order. Östlund plays the wing. If they trade Helenius or Benson I might quit. That trade proposal won’t get it done for Thomas. More realistic is Norris,Kesslring, Mrtka, unprotected 1st 1 1 Quote
Brawndo Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 The Blues were on a West Coast Trip during the days leading up to the TDL. Parayko had a little over 24 hours to make a decision on whether or not to waive His NMC for Buffalo and move for the next four years from a place he had spent his entire career in. Add on the pressure associated with St. Louis leaking to Darren Dreger that the deal was agreed to and both organizations or just waiting for him to make his decision on his NMC. I do not blame him for saying no. He most likely will be moved over the summer. He did say that he is interested in staying out West in an interview. John Carlson is someone the Sabres should be looking at in UFA. In terms of Robert Thomas, the framework for the deal that was agreed upon between Buffalo and St. Louis included Helenius, Mrtka and a 1st. The fourth piece that St. Louis was rumored to be asking for was either Östlund or Benson. I like Robert Thomas a lot, but giving up two of Helenius, Östlund or Benson is insane. 3 6 4 Quote
FrenchConnection44 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Parayko didn't want to come here so why would anyone want to keep trying to get him here? Now Thomas, everybody wants him. Is he even on the market? We have the assets but do we want to get into a bidding war for anybody? Tough call. I'd overpay to get him but within reason. NOT trading Benson, Doan, Helenius, Östlund, Dahlin , Not even considering it if any of them are involved unless it's for McJesus or Cellebrini then maybe it's up for consideration. Preferred trade for Thomas, Norris, Kulich, Kesselring and a top 10 protected first in 2028. A more than reasonable overpay imo. Possibly more viable deal, McLeod, Quinn, Kesselring and a first. If you make either happen, your centers next year are Thomas, Helenius, Norris/McLeod, Carrick in that order. Östlund plays the wing. If they trade Helenius or Benson I might quit. I agree on players to keep and trade. But also think it might take more. However St Louis might not want to trade Thomas at all and rather build around him. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 30 minutes ago, Brawndo said: In terms of Robert Thomas, the framework for the deal that was agreed upon between Buffalo and St. Louis included Helenius, Mrtka and a 1st. The fourth piece that St. Louis was rumored to be asking for was either Östlund or Benson. I like Robert Thomas a lot, but giving up two of Helenius, Östlund or Benson is insane. Where did I read that Norris (?!?!) was somehow a dealbreaker for GM JK? That never seemed right. Still doesn't. This deal is what I would expect STL to fairly demand. Given how Helenius has performed since the trade was being discussed, it'd now be a stronger offer from the Sabres. Anything beyond that (without real value coming back), and STL can fook off. Quote
inkman Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 8 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Where did I read that Norris (?!?!) was somehow a dealbreaker for GM JK? That never seemed right. Still doesn't. This deal is what I would expect STL to fairly demand. Given how Helenius has performed since the trade was being discussed, it'd now be a stronger offer from the Sabres. Anything beyond that (without real value coming back), and STL can fook off. It's "reported" in a bunch of places but most seems to be just glomming on the deadline rumors. https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/norris-held-up-the-thomas-to-buffalo-deal.3025043/post-204468813 Quote
Rusty P Viaduct Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 22 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Robert Thomas did not. He could have forced management's hand if he wanted to. He didn't make a peep. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: The Blues were on a West Coast Trip during the days leading up to the TDL. Parayko had a little over 24 hours to make a decision on whether or not to waive His NMC for Buffalo and move for the next four years from a place he had spent his entire career in. Add on the pressure associated with St. Louis leaking to Darren Dreger that the deal was agreed to and both organizations or just waiting for him to make his decision on his NMC. I do not blame him for saying no. He most likely will be moved over the summer. He did say that he is interested in staying out West in an interview. John Carlson is someone the Sabres should be looking at in UFA. In terms of Robert Thomas, the framework for the deal that was agreed upon between Buffalo and St. Louis included Helenius, Mrtka and a 1st. The fourth piece that St. Louis was rumored to be asking for was either Östlund or Benson. I like Robert Thomas a lot, but giving up two of Helenius, Östlund or Benson is insane. I do not recall Mrtka in the Thomas rumor. Benson and Helenius are off the table. Benson will be extended this summer and Helenius better not be traded. 1 1 1 1 Quote
Brawndo Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 19 minutes ago, Pimlach said: I do not recall Mrtka in the Thomas rumor. Benson and Helenius are off the table. Benson will be extended this summer and Helenius better not be traded. As St Louis kept adding players they wanted from the Sabres, Jarmo expanded His ask to include both Thomas and Parayko. When they couldn’t agree on Thomas, GMJK spun part of the assets off for Parayko. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 13 minutes ago, Brawndo said: As St Louis kept adding players they wanted from the Sabres, Jarmo expanded His ask to include both Thomas and Parayko. When they couldn’t agree on Thomas, GMJK spun part of the assets off for Parayko. I just don't want to trade with St Louis. PTSD from the ROR trade. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Rusty P Viaduct said: He could have forced management's hand if he wanted to. He didn't make a peep. How? Thomas wasn't asking to be traded, he is available because the Blues are rebuilding. Do you expect a guy who doesn't want to be traded to respond to rumors and force a trade? And a trade to Buffalo on top of that? And if the trade isn't made can you imagine how he would feel in the locker room after that? Quote
Flashsabre Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 LOL someone check on Nacho Libre. He’s got red X disease😛 3 Quote
Brawndo Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 23 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Robert Thomas did not. 34 minutes ago, Pimlach said: How? Thomas wasn't asking to be traded, he is available because the Blues are rebuilding. Do you expect a guy who doesn't want to be traded to respond to rumors and force a trade? And a trade to Buffalo on top of that? And if the trade isn't made can you imagine how he would feel in the locker room after that? Reportedly Thomas would have waived for Buffalo, he and his wife are from Aurora, Ontario near Toronto. Having both sets of Grandparents in Driving Range would be beneficial. Also one of Thomas‘s friends was at the VGK at Buffalo Game shortly before the TDL and told him about the Sabres Fans chanting his name 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 3 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Where did I read that Norris (?!?!) was somehow a dealbreaker for GM JK? That never seemed right. Still doesn't. This deal is what I would expect STL to fairly demand. Given how Helenius has performed since the trade was being discussed, it'd now be a stronger offer from the Sabres. Anything beyond that (without real value coming back), and STL can fook off. Helenius, Mrtka and a 1st??? That would have been grand larceny by the Blues. The hockey gods saved us from a serious blunder. This is why I worry about Jarmo a bit. We have a very good team. Don't get crazy. 2 1 Quote
Fansince70 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 11 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Parayko didn't want to come here so why would anyone want to keep trying to get him here? Now Thomas, everybody wants him. Is he even on the market? We have the assets but do we want to get into a bidding war for anybody? Tough call. I'd overpay to get him but within reason. NOT trading Benson, Doan, Helenius, Östlund, Dahlin , Not even considering it if any of them are involved unless it's for McJesus or Cellebrini then maybe it's up for consideration. Preferred trade for Thomas, Norris, Kulich, Kesselring and a top 10 protected first in 2028. A more than reasonable overpay imo. Possibly more viable deal, McLeod, Quinn, Kesselring and a first. If you make either happen, your centers next year are Thomas, Helenius, Norris/McLeod, Carrick in that order. Östlund plays the wing. If they trade Helenius or Benson I might quit. 3 excellent young centers coming up full time next year. Sabres don't need Thomas. 2 Quote
PASabreFan Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Helenius, Mrtka and a 1st??? That would have been grand larceny by the Blues. The hockey gods saved us from a serious blunder. This is why I worry about Jarmo a bit. We have a very good team. Don't get crazy. In the What If of all What If's, What If Thomas had put the Sabres over the top. A very good player for three pieces who have never done anything for you. See also: can both teams win a trade? 4 1 1 Quote
Fansince70 Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: He asks terrible questions of players in the locker room post game. Stupid "how does it feel" nonsense. We'll see if it lasts against a higher level of competition. The Avs aren't too shabby. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2 Report Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: In the What If of all What If's, What If Thomas had put the Sabres over the top. A very good player for three pieces who have never done anything for you. See also: can both teams win a trade? I guess we'll never know. But I do know that trade would have weakened the Sabres going forward. 2 minutes ago, Fansince70 said: The Avs aren't too shabby. Weakened by injury but sure. I'm of the opinion that Eastern teams played more of a gauntlet than Western teams. We'll find out starting tonight. 1 Quote
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