What Would It Take to Obtain Thomas and Parayko?

[St. Pete Gogolak]

Realistically, what would we have to give up to get Thomas and Parayko from St. Louis?  Assume no NTC issues.  Byram and Norris?  Byram is going to be a star, no question. Parayko turns 34 next May, but still slots in as a top four RHD to pair with Power for a couple of years.  I wouldn’t be inclined to give up more than that.  

[Porous Five Hole]

lol Parayko already turned us down via NTC. But “no issues?”

[That Aud Smell]

This was roughly the sort of proposed deal that was rumoured at the trade deadline -- with Buffalo adding another asset, I think (a 1st?). And apparently that offer wasn't enough to get it done.

Norris's value is lower now than it was mid-winter, I think.

Byram's is probably higher, though.

I continue to think that one of Östlund or Helenius would need to be part of a deal to get Thomas. #orelseforgetaboutit

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

lol Parayko already turned us down via NTC. But “no issues?”

Could be a different analysis for him (and his family?) in the offseason?

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

 

Could be a different analysis for him (and his family?) in the offseason?

I dunno, did he break up with his gf who is the heiress to the Midwest pizza chain? 

Don’t get me wrong, I like playing armchair GM. But we already got turned down going to the prom…so ask them again? 

[Jorcus]

The asking price for Thomas was rumored to be 3 assets in top 15 of draft. If that is true and can be matched it would be tough for the Sabres without a draft pick in that range. I could not come up with a Sabres combo I would part with for Thomas if that is in fact the case. 

[St. Pete Gogolak]

20 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

lol Parayko already turned us down via NTC. But “no issues?”

Obviously if Parayko doesn’t say yes, he isn’t traded. The point was hypothetically, assume no NTC issues.

[JP51]

Parayko can KMA at this point... he turned us down after a deal was in place... I respect his right to do so as a vet.. but I am not interested in bringing him into this mix. 

[Apollo]

Do not trade for either.

[PromoTheRobot]

56 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

The asking price for Thomas was rumored to be 3 assets in top 15 of draft. If that is true and can be matched it would be tough for the Sabres without a draft pick in that range. I could not come up with a Sabres combo I would part with for Thomas if that is in fact the case. 

You have to ask is Thomas that much better than the assets you're trading him for? And re: Parayko, we already have the best top 4 D in the league. He'd be a #5 at most. Can a team afford a $6MM #5?

Edited June 1 by PromoTheRobot

[Wyldnwoody44]

I also question is Thomas THAT good. I don't watch the blues play much, so I can't answer. 

Last year 64GP and 64 points and a carer .80 ppg player,so the stats look decent, the WAR chart that was posted looked good too. 

Intangibles? Face off, toughness, I have no clue. 

[inkman]

31 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Do not trade for either.

I’m certainly not married to the idea but what are your reasons? 

28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You have to ask is Thomas that much better than the assets you're trading him for? And re: Parayko, we already have the best top 4 D in the league. He'd be a #5 at most. Can a team afford a $6MM #5?

The thinking is that Byram or Power would be going the other way. (In order to get Thomas) 

[JoeSchmoe]

I watched Parayko play at the Olympics and I don't want him taking any minutes away from our top four. And at his price tag, I don't want him in the bottom pair either. 

Edited June 1 by JoeSchmoe

[#freejame]

I really didn’t like the initial Parayko trade and don’t get the appeal of him whatsoever. 

[PromoTheRobot]

36 minutes ago, inkman said:

I’m certainly not married to the idea but what are your reasons? 

The thinking is that Byram or Power would be going the other way. (In order to get Thomas) 

And who replaces one or the other? I don't get weakening your team for a player.

Edited June 1 by PromoTheRobot

[inkman]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Isn't that a downgrade?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I wouldn’t make the trade. Kinda wonder after the playoffs if the interest in Parayko has subsided. 

[Rusty P Viaduct]

I don't want either of them. They had their chance to get on the wagon

[Pimlach]

Parayko is not going to be happy as a bottom 3 guy, he is 33, and he already turned down Buffalo.  Most of all he is not good enough to make the top 4 unless we trade one of them for Parayko which to me is not a smart  move at all.  The Blues will want Mrkta who is a guy I prefer to keep over Parayko.  

Thomas is worth pursuing but I am not sure Buffalo has all the goods or even the willingness to pay for him when they have Östlund and Helenius emerging. 

St Louis will probably want 3 equivalent 1's in the form of pick (our 1st rounder is #27 and not that attractive), a player ready now (Norris is a salary swap with Thomas  but is injury prone) , and a prospect (Helenius or Östlund most likely). 

Dealing with Armstrong is not something I would do.  

This is going to sound ultra-conservative but I would not trade Helenius or Östlund.  

  

Edited June 1 by Pimlach

[LGR4GM]

23 minutes ago, Rusty P Viaduct said:

I don't want either of them. They had their chance to get on the wagon

Robert Thomas did not. 

[Fansince70]

We need steady, reliable goaltending before either of them.  Until then it will always let us down in the pinch like McDermott's defense did to the Bills. 

[PromoTheRobot]

40 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

 

This is going to sound ultra-conservative but I would not trade Helenius or Östlund.  

  

Conservative or sane?

[Flashsabre]

Just now, Fansince70 said:

We need steady, reliable goaltending before either of them.  Until then it will always let us down in the pinch like McDermott's defense did to the Bills. 

What teams have steady reliable goaltending? Vegas have Hart who was out of the league with serious personal issues. Carolina has Andersen who has finally put a good stretch together after years of failure.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

 

The thinking is that Byram or Power would be going the other way. (In order to get Thomas) 

If either Byram or Power would be part of the deal, Jarmo should be summarily dismissed for felonious incompetence. Hell no!

[tom webster]

3 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I dunno, did he break up with his gf who is the heiress to the Midwest pizza chain? 

Don’t get me wrong, I like playing armchair GM. But we already got turned down going to the prom…so ask them again? 

It’s actually not out of the question. Parayko admitted that it was a tough decision and the fact that it was mid-season factored into his ultimate decision. He spoke very positively about his conversations with Jarmo. It is plausible that he reconsiders in the offseason.

[Fansince70]

1 minute ago, Flashsabre said:

What teams have steady reliable goaltending? Vegas have Hart who was out of the league with serious personal issues. Carolina has Andersen who has finally put a good stretch together after years of failure.

Vegas kept trying to get a goalie even before Hill failed, and signed Hart, who was exonerated.  The point is to try, and not stand pat like the Sabres seem set to do next year.  No use running back a position of failure if you're serious about the Cup. If the Sabres had outbid Vegas for Hart, they'd be in the Finals and VGK would be out.  

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, tom webster said:

It’s actually not out of the question. Parayko admitted that it was a tough decision and the fact that it was mid-season factored into his ultimate decision. He spoke very positively about his conversations with Jarmo. It is plausible that he reconsiders in the offseason.

What pairing would you put him on? Right now it seems that the top two pairs are established. A Parayko deal might make sense if Byram was dealt to fill another need.