tom webster Posted May 27 Author Report Posted May 27 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I think they match. I'd give him 11 million x7 July 1 without blinking. I think they probably match as well but I think there is value in making other teams spend more than they want. 1 Quote
pastajoe Posted May 27 Report Posted May 27 Tuch signs with Seattle Sabres sign Boone Jenner Acquire Hellebuyck and D Colin Miller for UPL, Kesselring, Norris, and Quinn Greenway, Krebs, and Dunne gone Benson Kulich Thompson Doan Östlund Zucker Jenner McLeod Helenius Malenstyn Carrick Danforth Extra: Kozak Dahlin-Samuellson Power-Byram Miller-Timmons Extra: Metsa Hellebuyck Lyon Ellis Quote
... Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 (edited) Tuch - UFA - re-signs 7 years/$9.25M, front-loaded with signing bonuses and partial trade protection in final 3 years Quinn - trade piece - see below Norris – trade piece - see below Kulich - trade piece - see below McLeod - remains a Sabre Greenway - trade piece - see below Benson - RFA - signs at 7 years/$6.75M Krebs - RFA - rights traded (or is allowed to walk worst case) - see below Malenstyn - UFA - re-signs 3 years/$2.35M Kozak - trade piece - see below Byram - remains a Sabre (extended after Thomas acquired) Kesselring - RFA - signs 2 years/$1.85M Lyon/Ellis - retained UPL - trade piece - see below Stanley, Pearson, Dunne, Schenn - gone Metsa - UFA - signs 2 years/$1.15M --- Norris + Quinn + Kulich + 1st for Robert Thomas Krebs' rights + 2027 3rd traded for a mid-tier defensive prospect Sabres sign A.J. Greer 2 years/$1.6M UPL + Kozak traded for Connor Zary Greenway trade for a pick --- Opening Night Roster Benson - Thomas - Thompson Zucker - McLeod - Tuch Doan - Zary - Östlund Malenstyn - Carrick - Greer Helenius Samuelsson - Dahlin Byram - Power Kesselring - Timmins Metsa Lyon Ellis Levi Edited May 29 by ... updated 5/29/26 Quote
elijah Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 On 5/25/2026 at 10:39 PM, elijah said: Benson (unfortunately) bridges 2yr/$4.75M Byram gets extended 6yr/$7.25M Krebs walks and gets paid $4M+ AAV Think I was low on Benson, if it’s a bridge it’s 2x$5.25M, and I wouldn’t necessarily leave out a 1 year deal to be honest just to get Skinner’s buyout off the books Also think I was low on Byram, they give him Power’s exact remaining contract. 6x$8.35M Add Stanley to the $4M+ AAV in FA club Quote
elijah Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 7 hours ago, ... said: Greenway - traded for a 3rd or 4th I think this is extremely wishful thinking, hopefully I’m wrong. I see us needing to attach a 3rd or a 4th to Greenway to trade him for free, rather than getting a 3rd or 4th back. If no one in the fan base wants him here and feels a need to clear his cap, I’d imagine that’s how opposing GMs would feel about him as well Quote
LGR4GM Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 23 hours ago, pastajoe said: Tuch signs with Seattle Sabres sign Boone Jenner Acquire Hellebuyck and D Colin Miller for UPL, Kesselring, Norris, and Quinn Greenway, Krebs, and Dunne gone Benson Kulich Thompson Doan Östlund Zucker Jenner McLeod Helenius Malenstyn Carrick Danforth Extra: Kozak Dahlin-Samuellson Power-Byram Miller-Timmons Extra: Metsa Hellebuyck Lyon Ellis I honestly would hate going into a season with Kulich and Östlund as our top 2 centers. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 10 hours ago, ... said: Tuch - UFA - takes 6 years/$10M, front-loaded with signing bonuses in the first 3 years Quinn - remains a Sabre Byram - remains a Sabre (extended over summer) McLeod - remains a Sabre Levi - trade piece - see below Greenway - trade piece - see below Benson - RFA - signs at 7 years/$6.75M Krebs - RFA - rights traded (or is allowed to walk worst case) - see below Malenstyn - UFA - re-signs 3 years/$2.35M Kesselring - RFA - signs 2 years/$1.85M UPL/Lyon/Ellis - retained Norris – trade piece - see below Stanley, Pearson, Dunne, Schenn - gone --- Devon Levi + Peyton Krebs' RFA rights + pick for Cole Sillinger's RFA rights Sillinger signs bridge 3 years/$3.25M Sabres sign A.J. Greer 2 years/$1.75M Norris traded for a 2nd and a prospect Zucker traded for a 2nd or 3rd + prospect Greenway - traded for a 3rd or 4th --- Opening Night Roster Benson - Thompson - Tuch Doan - McLeod - Quinn Helenius - Sillinger - Östlund Malenstyn - Carrick – Greer Kulich Samuelsson - Dahlin Byram - Power Metsa - Timmins - Kesselring Lyon/UPL/Ellis Lots of interesting info here. Is Cole Sillinger better than Krebs? I don't see him play much. They seem like similar players so why trade Levi and Krebs for Sillinger? I think you will have give Greenway away with a pick to move him. Quote
tom webster Posted May 28 Author Report Posted May 28 (edited) So what the hell, go big or go home. Krebs, Zucker, Greenway, Stanley, Schenn, Persson all gone in minor deals or walk of their contract is up Tuch gets traded to Seattle for a 3rd. Levi and Kesserling traded to Pittsburgh for a second or a third UPL, Mrtka, McLeod and a 1st traded to St. Louis for Kyrou and Parayko. Bobrovski signed to two year contract for $5K per year. Benson signs exact same deal as Doan. Malenstyn signs for $2.7K Byram extends for same contract as Power. This all comes in at $200K below cap and sets them up for big space next year. ROSTER: Thompson/Kulich/Kyrou Benson/Norris/Doan Östlund/Helenius/Quinn Malenstyn/Carrick/Danforth Kozak Sammy/Dahlin Power/Parayko Byram/Timmins Metsa Bob Lyon Ellis Edited May 28 by tom webster 2 Quote
... Posted May 28 Report Posted May 28 58 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Lots of interesting info here. Is Cole Sillinger better than Krebs? I don't see him play much. They seem like similar players so why trade Levi and Krebs for Sillinger? I think you will have give Greenway away with a pick to move him. Greenway has more value that Sabres fans think, IMHO. He had a good playoffs and is "healthy" now. Sillinger is a higher-upside, more physically imposing middle-six forward with better recent defensive/process improvements. Krebs was "meh" in the playoffs, and while motivated, simply can't provide the grit to manage teams like the Habs or Carolina (as examples). I may, though, revise my plan. I keep nit-picking at it and am finding some more interesting, realistic options. The weakness in my plan, as posted, is a potential drop in scoring unless the kids continue to improve (which I don't see why they wouldn't). I don't know if Jarmo would take that risk now that I've had a night to think about it. And I forgot Kozak. 1 1 Quote
... Posted May 29 Report Posted May 29 Revised my plan. My Spidy-sense is telling me Tuch will stay a Sabre. Quote
SJSabres Fan Posted May 29 Report Posted May 29 I’d like to see them get Knies out of Toronto. They need defense. I’d make anyone available outside of Ras. If they want Byrum, he’s got #1 potential so I think it shouldn’t take too much more. Quote
SabreFinn Posted May 29 Report Posted May 29 This was a tough one. Tuch or no Tuch is the decision that pretty much decide how to do the rest. With Tuch there is everything else at cheapest, possible option. Without him I think there might be talks to swap UPL for Gustavsson or other. Without Tuch would be a step back, Jarmo is not a guy that take a step back. Ruff would not be coach for two more years if there was any doubts about that. Here we go: Tuch 8x9 plus bonuses Benson bridge 2x5 Byram 6x9milj AAV Levi to Oilers for Josh Samanski and a fourth (-28) Malenstyn walks Norris, Kesselring, Mrtka and -27 and-28(top ten protected) firsts to Stl for Thomas, 1milj retain next season. (Norris traded to Minnesota later) Krebs to Preds for a 2nd this year, and a third. We draft a LW in the first round Ville Siren joins his old friend Jarmos team at the Sabres office after the draft. We trade Greenway to Calgary with a fourth rounder as a sweetener. Jarmo fills out the rest of the roster with Dunne 0,9 AAV and Nick Jensen 1x1AAV. Benson Thomas Doan Östlund Thompson Tuch Helenius McLeod Quinn Zucker Carrick Dunne Danforth Samuelsson Dahlin Power Byram Timmins Metsa Jensen UPL , Lyon, Ellis Kulich starts season in Rochester Quote
mjd1001 Posted May 29 Report Posted May 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, SJSabres Fan said: I’d like to see them get Knies out of Toronto. They need defense. I’d make anyone available outside of Ras. If they want Byrum, he’s got #1 potential so I think it shouldn’t take too much more. Knies is a product of playing with Austin Matthews. When he is playing with anyone else (even if he has Tavares or Nylander) his production nosedives. Over the last couple years, if he doesn't have Matthews, he is barely a 'teens per 80 games' goal scorer, he is negative in plus minus, and almost all his advanced metrics are WAY negative. I could excuse that saying that anyone playing with Matthews will be better, but again, even when he is with other top guys on that team, he's been a below average 200 foot player. And with that contract? I think he is signed long term for just under $8m per year. MAYBE he will grow and turn into a better player, but right now? No thanks. Edited May 29 by mjd1001 1 1 Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 He's going to mortgage the future by trading at LEAST two of: -Östlund -Helenius -Mrtka -1st round pick in exchange for a veteran who "plays the right way", but is just a mid level point producer and is an analytical liability. Quote
Taro T Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 2 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said: He's going to mortgage the future by trading at LEAST two of: -Östlund -Helenius -Mrtka -1st round pick in exchange for a veteran who "plays the right way", but is just a mid level point producer and is an analytical liability. It's possible. But, his history of bringing in "big splash" players is one of bringing in guys like Bobrovsky, Panarin, and Gaudreau. If 2 of those pieces you've listed above are going out the door, they aren't bringing a Kyle Okposo back in. (Not that Okposo was brought in via trade; just that's the sort of player your post elicited as an example.) Can't see Knies being brought in, especially at that sort of price tag. Quote
Taro T Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 And to build further on that. The prospect forward, out of the "big 4" that got traded for stuff was the weakest of the 4 by far. Losing a piece that was never going to play here to build depth for the playoffs (when it became apparent there weren't upgrades available at the prices Kekalainen was willing to pay, at least none that didn't use their NMCs) would indicate that Jarmo has a reasonable handle on who's worth what from the 50 contracts he has control of. 1 Quote
JoeSchmoe Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Taro T said: And to build further on that. The prospect forward, out of the "big 4" that got traded for stuff was the weakest of the 4 by far. Losing a piece that was never going to play here to build depth for the playoffs (when it became apparent there weren't upgrades available at the prices Kekalainen was willing to pay, at least none that didn't use their NMCs) would indicate that Jarmo has a reasonable handle on who's worth what from the 50 contracts he has control of. I wasn't sad to see Rosen go. I was just sad he went for a guy who'd I'd prefer not to see in the lineup. I really liked watching Metsa and his ability to win 50-50 pick battles and make high vision passes out of the zone. That, and the opportunity cost of maybe packaging him for something else, but I agree he was never going to be part of this team. I also don't like that he was chasing Parayko. He's a classic "play the game the right way" guy who's not as good as his reputation. As a Canadian, I really hope his Team Canada days are done. Quote
dudacek Posted Tuesday at 06:29 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 06:29 PM Coming soon: Tuch signs with a contender for less than $10M AAV Malenstyn also walks, signing a 4-year deal at more then $3M AAV Benson becomes the Sabres highest-paid forward with an 8-year extension of close to $70M. Bo Byram extends for 8 years, $75M Peyton Krebs extends for 4 years, $16M Ryan McLeod, Radim Mrtka, and the Sabres 1st traded to Toronto for Matthew Knies Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen and Jordan Greenway traded for futures/cap space A veteran tweener goalie and a cheap physical depth winger added. 1 Quote
dudacek Posted Tuesday at 06:48 PM Report Posted Tuesday at 06:48 PM I think he’s a long shot with cap and roster fit as it exists right now. But if other moves shake out the space I very much see the Sabres and Boone Jenner as a match. The grit, the faceoffs, the Jarmo history, plus Jenners desire to win and comfort with a Buffalo-type market: too many factors to ignore. 1 Quote
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