Should adding a proven goalie be priority #1 this offseason?

[#freejame]

8 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Won the trade 

It’s actually pretty remarkable how little the fruits of those trades contributed this playoffs and yet we were still able to have the success that we did. Is there anyone alive who thinks the Sabres don’t beat Montreal with Eichel and Reinhart instead of Tuch, Greenway, and Östlund?

Edited May 20 by #freejame

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7 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Haha 

 

Well, that's one down. At least one more to go. Hopefully it's UPL next.

[GASabresIUFAN]

4 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Won the trade 

I hope this is sarcasm.  I assume the Reinhart trade.  Reinhart for Levi and Kulich.   Not a bright spot on Adams resume.  

[Nacho Libre]

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

I hope this is sarcasm.  I assume the Reinhart trade.  Reinhart for Levi and Kulich.   Not a bright spot on Adams resume.  

Nope totally serious 

[Weave]

25 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Haha 

 

This was posted on resdit earlier today and promptly taken down as from a very unreliable source.

For whatever that’s worth…

[Nacho Libre]

5 minutes ago, Weave said:

This was posted on resdit earlier today and promptly taken down as from a very unreliable source.

For whatever that’s worth…

My only guarantee is engagement I make no promises as to quality 

[Flashsabre]

Who qualifies as a proven goalie?

Vasi and Swayman and Oettinger were bounced in the first round.

Hellebuyck, Sorokin, goalie Bob  and Shesterkin didn’t make the playoffs.

The days of the franchise goalie that carries his team on his back are gone.

Sabres lost in OT of Game 7. They had 2 goalies that they could switch between. It worked all season.

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, #freejame said:

It’s actually pretty remarkable how little the fruits of those trades contributed this playoffs and yet we were still able to have the success that we did. Is there anyone alive who thinks the Sabres don’t beat Montreal with Eichel and Reinhart instead of Tuch, Greenway, and Östlund?

With present Eichel and Reinhart we win.

With past Eichel and Reinhart who knows if we make the playoffs to begin with. Eichel has legitimately grown up slowly since leaving Buffalo and getting a proper ass kicking to carrot ratio for him to become who he is now. Had he stayed here I doubt we’d have become a legitimate team because we still be led by the spoiled kid he was while in Buffalo. Reinhart would have worked in any group frankly, he’s just a typical mild mannered Canadian guy. 

[Nacho Libre]

12 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

With present Eichel and Reinhart we win.

With past Eichel and Reinhart who knows if we make the playoffs to begin with. Eichel has legitimately grown up slowly since leaving Buffalo and getting a proper ass kicking to carrot ratio for him to become who he is now. Had he stayed here I doubt we’d have become a legitimate team because we still be led by the spoiled kid he was while in Buffalo. Reinhart would have worked in any group frankly, he’s just a typical mild mannered Canadian guy. 

Will this false narrative ever end? It’s demonstrably false. Eichel was a top 10 mvp candidate his last full year here. His defensive game vastly improved. Improving at the *shock* years a player generally improves. Why do we pretend Eichel was SUPPOSED to be some sort of finished product when we dealt him? Or choose to not grant him the usual development time? He was still developing when we moved him, we had literally seen it happen, saw his breakout unfolding. AND in his demeanour off the ice if you go read the GDT from that year which I always beg of folks. 

Some of you guys have taken the “spoiled ingrate” narrative because someone said it enough times and run with it and made it fact and it’s just ABSURD lol. I’m trying to help, it doesn’t look good on you. Let your made up beef - with someone you don’t know at all - go. 

“mild mannered Canadian guy” lol as if it sum up the fact this is all cliched nonsense 

Edited May 20 by Nacho Libre

[#freejame]

26 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Will this false narrative ever end? It’s demonstrably false. Eichel was a top 10 mvp candidate his last full year here. His defensive game vastly improved. Improving at the *shock* years a player generally improves. Why do we pretend Eichel was SUPPOSED to be some sort of finished product when we dealt him? Or choose to not grant him the usual development time? He was still developing when we moved him, we had literally seen it happen, saw his breakout unfolding. AND in his demeanour off the ice if you go read the GDT from that year which I always beg of folks. 

Some of you guys have taken the “spoiled ingrate” narrative because someone said it enough times and run with it and made it fact and it’s just ABSURD lol. I’m trying to help, it doesn’t look good on you. Let your made up beef - with someone you don’t know at all - go. 

“mild mannered Canadian guy” lol as if it sum up the fact this is all cliched nonsense 

It’s because at the same time people who had tied to the Sabres would tweet about how a players prime is 24 so obviously Eichel is what he is 

[sabresparaavida]

2 hours ago, #freejame said:

It’s actually pretty remarkable how little the fruits of those trades contributed this playoffs and yet we were still able to have the success that we did. Is there anyone alive who thinks the Sabres don’t beat Montreal with Eichel and Reinhart instead of Tuch, Greenway, and Östlund?

Of course there’s the one small problem of being 10 million over the cap.

[RPop]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

We need a no 1 center more than another average goalie.   We could use an upgrade on Stanley and Kesselring to play with Timmins.  Thomas is likely still on Jarmo’s acquisition list.

Agree, with the exception of Helly who is 1 G available? ( assuming he is🤷🏻‍♂️).. while a sign and trade w Tuch and UPL along with a top prospect seems possible. Except for one thing.. why would Tuch possibly agree to that? When San Jose, Anaheim, and likely Seattle can also bid as a FA. I think the goalie plan is just not happening. Thomas would be great but is that Norris, Östlund, 1, and Mrtka? Do the Blues make that deal? 

[Nacho Libre]

14 minutes ago, #freejame said:

It’s because at the same time people who had tied to the Sabres would tweet about how a players prime is 24 so obviously Eichel is what he is 

Ya probably - there seems to be some conflation with “prime” and “peak offensive production”. Does anyone really think Crosby was at his best his sophomore year back in 06-07? His 2 way game came waaaaay later 

Maybe players tend to score the most pointz when they are in their early 20s but the rounding out process continues for a good long while 

[thewookie1]

54 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Will this false narrative ever end? It’s demonstrably false. Eichel was a top 10 mvp candidate his last full year here. His defensive game vastly improved. Improving at the *shock* years a player generally improves. Why do we pretend Eichel was SUPPOSED to be some sort of finished product when we dealt him? Or choose to not grant him the usual development time? He was still developing when we moved him, we had literally seen it happen, saw his breakout unfolding. AND in his demeanour off the ice if you go read the GDT from that year which I always beg of folks. 

Some of you guys have taken the “spoiled ingrate” narrative because someone said it enough times and run with it and made it fact and it’s just ABSURD lol. I’m trying to help, it doesn’t look good on you. Let your made up beef - with someone you don’t know at all - go. 

“mild mannered Canadian guy” lol as if it sum up the fact this is all cliched nonsense 

I'm all about personality and maturity; his play improvements over time are just gravy. He was already a great player while here and only got better afterwards. I have a very good source that can attest that Eichel wasn't mature and wasn't exactly fond of Buffalo to begin with. So no, I'm not basing this off random talking heads but nigh-personal experience.

As for Reinhart that is just what he is, or at very least comes across as the stereotypical good Canadian boy as the media seems to generalize. I have zero personal personal experience to draw from so I default to whatever the general thought would be baring more information.

Edited May 20 by thewookie1

[Nacho Libre]

5 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I'm all about personality and maturity; his play improvements over time are just gravy. He was already a great player while here and only got better afterwards. I have a very good source that can attest that Eichel wasn't mature and wasn't exactly fond of Buffalo to begin with. So no, I'm not basing this off random talking heads but nigh-personal experience.

As for Reinhart that is just what he is, or at very least comes across as the stereotypical good Canadian boy as the media seems to generalize. I have zero personal personal experience to draw from so I default to whatever the general thought would be baring more information.

[PerreaultForever]

With the Oilers desperately still seeking a goalie and possibly others I doubt it's very easy to just add a proven goalie who is any good or better than what we have. I mean really, who?

and no thank you to Carter Hart. It revolts me that he's even in the league. 

[thewookie1]

24 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

Well seeing as it was family id say that's rather solid

[quill]

If by “proven” you mean someone like Swayman, then any hockey team should strive to have a proven goalie on their team, either by nurturing a young prospect until he develops into one or by getting real lucky and making the perfect trade for one without giving up half of your best players to do it. Right now there is probably a "proven" goalie on a bottom dwelling team where that goalie just might be the best kept secret in the league because of how bad his team is. That's the guy we should keep an eye out for.

[Fansince70]

7 hours ago, inkman said:

Sign and trade? Tuch is a UFA.

If need be, yes.  VGK wanted him last spring, I believe.  Hart has been solid since returning, but doubtful Vegas moves him as long as Torts is there.  

[Weave]

7 hours ago, Nacho Libre said:

Poor, confused Eleven.

[Archie Lee]

11 hours ago, #freejame said:

It’s actually pretty remarkable how little the fruits of those trades contributed this playoffs and yet we were still able to have the success that we did. Is there anyone alive who thinks the Sabres don’t beat Montreal with Eichel and Reinhart instead of Tuch, Greenway, and Östlund?

I’m not defending the Adams tear down.  It was always more than a little absurd. The equivalent today would be Detroit doing a tear down by trading Seider and Raymond. No GM starts a tear down by trading his two best players, aged 24 and 25. Adams did. 

That said, I generally think the point of a tear down is to acquire multiple assets over a period where you are drafting high. No single acquired asset is a must hit because there are no guarantees. Indeed the assumption is that some won’t hit.  

So, yes the Sabres are a better team with Eichel and Reinhart than with the assets acquired for them. But if we don’t tear down, then we also don’t draft Savoie and trade him for McLeod, and we don’t miss the playoffs again and draft Benson, and we don’t acquire enough forward assets to trade Mittelstadt for Byram, and a happier Peterka (playing with Eichel?) maybe doesn’t get traded for Doan, etc. 

At this point we are so far past the Reinhart and Eichel trades that had we received nothing of value back, it would not be an excuse for still being bad. And, we’re actually really good. 

[That Aud Smell]

Getting good goaltending is essentially witchcraft.

The Sabres Classics Twitter account recently posted footage of Bondra's and Kasparitis's soft OT playoff goals against Hasek.

It provided some perspective on the floater that got by UPL.

[PASabreFan]

3 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Getting good goaltending is essentially witchcraft.

The Sabres Classics Twitter account recently posted footage of Bondra's and Kasparitis's soft OT playoff goals against Hasek.

It provided some perspective on the floater that got by UPL.

And the Sabres leave the City of Brotherly Love up three games to one!

(Jay McKee)

[PASabreFan]

Two games to none. In the Butterknives no less.

[inkman]

A thread started about acquiring a goaltender in the offseason.  It turns into yet another Eichel & Reinhart rehash session. We ended the drought. We have a super promising young core that absolutely would not be what it is without everything happening the way it happened the last decade. Yet people still want to bring up those two players. Let it go already.