Sadly, Jarmo's offseason gameplan.

[GASabresIUFAN]

These 3 guys were all excellent in the regular season in their roles and all have continued that excellent play in the playoffs so far with Benny becoming a dynamic playoff force.  So what are your thoughts on their next contracts as I fully expect all 3 to be back next season?

My gut tells me Beck is 3 years at 3, Benson is either 2 @ 4.5 or 7 @ 6.5 and Krebs 3 @ 4.25.  

Edited May 19 by GASabresIUFAN

[Flashsabre]

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

These 3 guys were all excellent in the regular season in their roles and all have continued that excellent play in the playoffs so far with Benny becoming a dynamic playoff force.  So what are your thoughts on their next contracts as I fully expect all 3 to be back next season?

My gut tells me Beck is 3 years at 3, Benson is either 2 @ 4.5 or 7 @ 6.5 and Krebs 3 @ 4.25.  

Jarmo will have to figure where Östlund, Helenuis and Kulich fit I. The lineup.

I think he will look to move Norris to free up money. Östlund takes his spot.

[Pimlach]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

These 3 guys were all excellent in the regular season in their roles and all have continued that excellent play in the playoffs so far with Benny becoming a dynamic playoff force.  So what are your thoughts on their next contracts as I fully expect all 3 to be back next season?

My gut tells me Beck is 3 years at 3, Benson is either 2 @ 4.5 or 7 @ 6.5 and Krebs 3 @ 4.25.  

reasonable.   There will be some tough decisions to make.  

Benson is the long term keeper.   Locking up Benson for >2 years is best if it can be done.  

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Jarmo will have to figure where Östlund, Helenuis and Kulich fit I. The lineup.

I think he will look to move Norris to free up money. Östlund takes his spot.

I know people may not like this idea, but I'm moving on from McLeod and inserting Östlund in his job, saving $4+ million to help pay for Tuch.  I honestly don't think Norris is tradeable.  I'm also inserting Kulich for Zucker and saving $3+ there.

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

reasonable.   There will be some tough decisions to make.  

Benson is the long term keeper.   Locking up Benson for >2 years is best if it can be done.  

My thought on Benny is that he won't want to sign long-term until he is a 60 pt player in 2 years.

Edited May 7 by GASabresIUFAN

[Flashsabre]

I’d offer Benny the Doan deal

[Night Train]

Can you afford them if Tuch gets a large deal ? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

39 minutes ago, Night Train said:

Can you afford them if Tuch gets a large deal ? 

Yes and no.  There will need to be other changes - some of the “middle class” players like McLeod, Zucker, UPL and Greenway will likely need to be moved to make the numbers work.

[oddoublee]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I know people may not like this idea, but I'm moving on from McLeod and inserting Östlund in his job, saving $4+ million to help pay for Tuch.  I honestly don't think Norris is tradeable.  I'm also inserting Kulich for Zucker and saving $3+ there.

My thought on Benny is that he won't want to sign long-term until he is a 60 pt player in 2 years.

That's a banger...got me thinking.

My struggle with losing Zuck is, I think he is a locker room glue guy. The question is, is this team ready to take his lessons and continue to grow without him?

McLeod...so so fast. Plays two way hockey. When he's on, he's really good for this team in terms of playing Lindy's system. 

I get this team is at a point where these tough decisions have to be made...I'm glad I don't have to make em!

[_Q_]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I know people may not like this idea, but I'm moving on from McLeod and inserting Östlund in his job, saving $4+ million to help pay for Tuch.  I honestly don't think Norris is tradeable.  I'm also inserting Kulich for Zucker and saving $3+ there.

My thought on Benny is that he won't want to sign long-term until he is a 60 pt player in 2 years.

I agree with the McLeod for Östlund swap.  I would also move whomever of UPL, Ellis or Levi Jarmo feels has the lowest ceiling.

[GASabresIUFAN]

27 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

My struggle with losing Zuck is, I think he is a locker room glue guy.

Maybe so, but his production has completely disappeared in the playoffs so far.  

[dudacek]

I know that I am among the worst offenders on Sabrespace when it comes to playing armchair GM.

So it is weird to say that I have no interest whatsoever in this conversation right now.

It’s unbelievable to be in May and only be caring about what’s happening on the ice.

[TheAud]

I'm OK with a long term deal for Benson that offers him 60 point production level pay now (i.e. lean into where he's headed) or a bridge that gives them another RFA deal in a couple of years when you can sign him long term then (likely at more money). 

To keep Tuch and the RFA's they are going to need to unload some of the middle class guys. There would be a market for McLeod, and if he keeps it up in the playoffs, for Greenway. Hard to see how they unload Norris and his deal without just giving him away. 

The other one that worries me is Byram. I'd love to keep him but he is a UFA after next year.

[Trettioåtta]

I won't go above $2M for Beck.

You get into cap trouble by overpaying fourth liners. I love Beck, but the guy had 14 points. Carrick is $1M and does more.

Benson = Doan

Krebs = If I could get $4M for 6-7 years I would. But I think he'll be more like $5M for 3 years.

[Trettioåtta]

4 minutes ago, TheAud said:

I'm OK with a long term deal for Benson that offers him 60 point production level pay now (i.e. lean into where he's headed) or a bridge that gives them another RFA deal in a couple of years when you can sign him long term then (likely at more money). 

To keep Tuch and the RFA's they are going to need to unload some of the middle class guys. There would be a market for McLeod, and if he keeps it up in the playoffs, for Greenway. Hard to see how they unload Norris and his deal without just giving him away. 

The other one that worries me is Byram. I'd love to keep him but he is a UFA after next year.

We get like $5M in space next year, and the cap will likely go up, and our only big assets bar Byram are Kulich, Quinn and Östlund. That is manageable. Especially as Zucker's $4.5M would be coming off

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Night Train said:

Can you afford them if Tuch gets a large deal ? 

I pounded some numbers.  If we re-sign Tuch (7 x 10 mill), Benny (2 x 4.5),  Malenstyn (3 x 3), Krebs (3 x 4.25),  Stanley (3 x 2.5) and Metsa (1.25).  We’d be about 11 mill over the cap.  To get under the cap, we’d have to trade UPL, McLeod and Zucker and replace them with Kulich, and Östlund.  I’m also trading Kesselring.  I’m also waiving Danforth hoping he won’t get claimed to serve as extra depth in case of injury.

Krebs Tage Tuch

Benson Östlund Doan

Kulich Norris Quinn

Greenway Carrick Malenstyn (Kozak)

Dahlin Samuelsson

Power Byram

Stanley Timmins

Lyon Ellis

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, Trettioåtta said:

We get like $5M in space next year, and the cap will likely go up, and our only big assets bar Byram are Kulich, Quinn and Östlund. That is manageable. Especially as Zucker's $4.5M would be coming off

Greenway comes off the books after next season, also so does $4 mill of the Skinner penalty.  Cap will also rise.  That’s plenty to re-sign Byram.

[Trettioåtta]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I pounded some numbers.  If we re-sign Tuch (7 x 10 mill), Benny (2 x 4.5),  Malenstyn (3 x 3), Krebs (3 x 4.25),  Stanley (3 x 2.5) and Metsa (1.25).  We’d be about 11 mill over the cap.  To get under the cap, we’d have to trade UPL, McLeod and Zucker and replace them with Kulich, and Östlund.  I’m also trading Kesselring.  I’m also waiving Danforth hoping he won’t get claimed to serve as extra depth in case of injury.

Krebs Tage Tuch

Benson Östlund Doan

Kulich Norris Quinn

Greenway Carrick Malenstyn (Kozak)

Dahlin Samuelsson

Power Byram

Stanley Timmins

Lyon Ellis

$8M for a fourth line is $4M too much. I'd also lock Benson up long term. He's young and has intangibles. 

Edited May 7 by Trettioåtta

[Porous Five Hole]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

These 3 guys were all excellent in the regular season in their roles and all have continued that excellent play in the playoffs so far with Benny becoming a dynamic playoff force.  So what are your thoughts on their next contracts as I fully expect all 3 to be back next season?

My gut tells me Beck is 3 years at 3, Benson is either 2 @ 4.5 or 7 @ 6.5 and Krebs 3 @ 4.25.  

Why not give Krebs a qualifying offer and not go with any term? He’s having a good second half, but I don’t see any reason to need to pay him four million a year for three years. 

[dudacek]

Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

Why not give Krebs a qualifying offer and not go with any term? He’s having a good second half, but I don’t see any reason to need to pay him four million a year for three years. 

Krebs is arbitration eligible, plays on the first line and was easily an NHL top 6 forward in terms of even strength production this year.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20252026&seasonTo=20252026&gameType=2&position=F&sort=evPoints&page=2&pageSize=50

His agent will almost certainly disagree.

[Trettioåtta]

18 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Why not give Krebs a qualifying offer and not go with any term? He’s having a good second half, but I don’t see any reason to need to pay him four million a year for three years. 

Shane Pinto is a simialr age, and put up a similar number of even-strength points. He is getting $7.5M from next year...

Now he is better than Krebs, but I think you're deluding yourself if you think Krebs isn't going to get well paid this offseason.

[Porous Five Hole]

8 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Krebs is arbitration eligible, plays on the first line and was easily an NHL top 6 forward in terms of even strength production this year.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20252026&seasonTo=20252026&gameType=2&position=F&sort=evPoints&page=2&pageSize=50

His agent will almost certainly disagree.

Sure, and I will happily go to arbitration for one year on a 40 pt player. But I’m not auto-extending for three years because he’s irreplaceable on this team.
He’s having a good second half and he hustles. It’s worth something.  But not 4.25MM X 3 to me. 

[transient]

[Porous Five Hole]

Just now, Trettioåtta said:

Shane Pinto is a simialr age, and put up a similar number of even-strength points. He is getting $7.5M from next year...

Now he is better than Krebs, but I think you're deluding yourself if you think Krebs isn't going to get well paid this offseason.

Anybody can play with Tuch and Tage and get 40 pts. Krebs is replaceable. I’m not trying to be insensitive and I appreciate his role on this team right now. But he’s not a priority to re-sign at all.  

[Trettioåtta]

6 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Sure, and I will happily go to arbitration for one year on a 40 pt player. But I’m not auto-extending for three years because he’s irreplaceable on this team.
He’s having a good second half and he hustles. It’s worth something.  But not 4.25MM X 3 to me. 

Philipp Kurashev at age 25 was coming off a 25 point season. He was awarded $2.25M - the equivalent to $2.8M in next years cap. Assume a linear scale for points (a very ropey assumption), and that puts Krebs deal at 1 year $4.48M. I think this is below the walkaway amount, and most cases don't go to arbitration, but I still think he is more expensive than expected - even if replaceable in your view

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Trettioåtta said:

$8M for a fourth line is $4M too much. I'd also lock Benson up long term. He's young and has intangibles. 

It’s only for one season.