Flashsabre Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 Chase Reid will be the first dman taken. Teams are worried about Verhoeff’s hockey IQ 1 Quote
Doohickie Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 9 hours ago, Archie Lee said: Two Cleveland Guardian pitchers have lost their careers and face up 20 years in prison for conspiring to not throw a strike on pre-determined pitches in MLB games. Rigging the NHL draft lottery would be, I think, a substantially more serious offence. I disagree. the baseball example is actual game play; I would think cheating there would be more severe. Quote
Archie Lee Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 52 minutes ago, Doohickie said: I disagree. the baseball example is actual game play; I would think cheating there would be more severe. I don’t know. Is rigging a single pitch in a baseball game worse than attempting to rig the future of the lottery-draft-eligible NHL teams by ensuring one of them gets the best player and the others don’t? I think Connor McDavid and Auston Matthews have meant more money gained by the teams who won those lotteries, and more money lost for the teams that did not, than the money that one ball thrown in the dirt in the 8th inning of a regular season baseball game gained or cost anyone. I urge people to do a little research on this. Rigging the NHL draft lottery would be a serious crime. Quote
Doohickie Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 7 minutes ago, Archie Lee said: I urge people to do a little research on this. You keep saying that. You keep failing to say what law it violates. 10 hours ago, Archie Lee said: Im not a lawyer and know nothing of criminal statutes. Maybe you should do some research before making your claims. Quote
JP51 Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, Taro T said: Don't suppose you nor your AI Agent could actually cite a statute that a rigged lottery would be in actual violation of, could you? Btw, you do realize that AI is the lazy person's Wiki, right? I am with you, I struggle to see what "Criminal" statute it would violate... Civil... well that's a much more wide open spectrum of possibility, bottom line, if rigging were to be found out the crushing implications for the league would be insane... the implications for I believe it was Deloitte and Toche or Earnst and Young who are monitoring this result would crush them too... can you imagine from a business standpoint what that would mean? Bottom line, I can envision no circumstance that the league and the 3rd party would take on potentially existential reputational risk to give the Maple Leafs choice over which teenager they select in a draft... (potentially 20) ... Edited May 6 by JP51 1 Quote
Jorcus Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 11 hours ago, Taro T said: To be clear, have asked repeatedly what statute a sports league rigging its own draft lottery violates? Personally, don't know of any statutes that regulate such an internal matter. And, at least up through now, nobody else has volunteered any that this would violate (again, presuming that the lottery was actually rigged which in no way shape or form has been even circumstantially established). It's an interesting question. There are many laws that pertain to interfering with the outcome of a sporting event. Most of these reach back to regulations of horse racing because at one time that was the only sporting event that it was legal to wager on. Can you extrapolate that to the draft Lottery? Not sure but in terms of a civil matter the other team owners would have a strong case of being harmed. Quote
Spoonman Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 13 hours ago, _Q_ said: Elections are rigged too. 👀🤦♂️ Quote
Flashsabre Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 I love how if a team someone doesn’t like win then it’s rigged but if Seattle won no one would say rigged.😂 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I'm seeing things that Verhoeff might slide. Why? Quote
LGR4GM Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 7 hours ago, Flashsabre said: Chase Reid will be the first dman taken. Teams are worried about Verhoeff’s hockey IQ 6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Why? The IQ part of his game. There are questions about how good of a distributor he would be at the next level. There is also a concern about how he will handle the defensive zone at the NHL when his processing speed might not be quite as high as others. Generally, he is a bit more varied in terms of what he could be compared to some others. There is some Ristolainen in his defensive play IMO. Quote
zow2 Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 My first reaction was "Rigged"!!! But i mean we all sort of look at the NHL lottery and hope the team that wins is the team most deserving of #1 overall. I feel like that was Vancouver this season. The Leafs just came off a decade or whatever of playoff appearances and several top 3 finishes in the Division. Just didn't feel like they are deserving of the top pick this time around...hence the cries of rigged. 1 Quote
SDS Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 1 hour ago, zow2 said: My first reaction was "Rigged"!!! But i mean we all sort of look at the NHL lottery and hope the team that wins is the team most deserving of #1 overall. I feel like that was Vancouver this season. The Leafs just came off a decade or whatever of playoff appearances and several top 3 finishes in the Division. Just didn't feel like they are deserving of the top pick this time around...hence the cries of rigged. It is happening right in front of your eyes for all to see. If someone is going to claim it is rigged, then they need to provide some reasonable explanation of why they can’t believe their lying eyes. One thing I have learned over recent years is that people who claim that things are rigged have zero understanding of how something works. It’s fine not to know how something works. Just say I don’t know. Or educate yourself. But proclaiming you know something because in reality you actually don’t know anything, it’s just garbage. Quote
Believer Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 20 hours ago, _Q_ said: Bottom line: Sports only work when fans believe the outcomes aren’t predetermined. A rigged draft would turn the NHL from a league fans love because it feels fair into one they can’t fully trust anymore. The biggest victims would be the regular fans — the ones who paid to be entertained, not lied to. WWF regular fans paid good money to be entertained with predetermined outcomes. League paid referees? Rigged lottery drafts? Game scheduling? NHL regular fans would be entertained just as readily. One man’s sport is another man’s entertainment. Money talks. Quote
clink Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 20 hours ago, clink said: sorry about the multi reply gosh darn phone doth glitch Quote
Crusader1969 Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 Zucker is not confident with the puck on his stick, going back to the Bruins series Quote
PerreaultForever Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 7 hours ago, LGR4GM said: The IQ part of his game. There are questions about how good of a distributor he would be at the next level. There is also a concern about how he will handle the defensive zone at the NHL when his processing speed might not be quite as high as others. Generally, he is a bit more varied in terms of what he could be compared to some others. There is some Ristolainen in his defensive play IMO. Ya, I know Chase Reid has become the darling but I think Verhoeff will be just fine. It'll take some time and coaching but I think he's more likely to become a complete package in time. He's not Makar or Hughes or anything, but I think pretty good in time. Anyway, it'll be some other teams issue. Quote
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