RETURNTOGLORY Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 Knoblauch has been coaching the BEST PP in the league for the past several years with Edmonton. League rules state that once a coaches season is over, he can sign with another team in the playoffs as a consultant. Is this a move the Sabres GM should make? "An NHL team can hire a current assistant coach from another team as a consultant once their season is over, but it requires permission from the coach's current team because they are still under contract. Such moves are treated as hiring to a new position, allowing for the hiring of staff during the offseason. Key points regarding this scenario: Contract Status: Coaches under contract cannot simply sign elsewhere; they need approval from their current organization, even if the team is eliminated. Consultant Roles: Teams often utilize consultants or advisors, particularly those with deep knowledge of opponents or specific strategies. Timing: Once the team's season is over, restrictions regarding working with another organization are often relaxed, provided the contract permits it or the team grants permission. Affiliation Limits: If the team is within the same organization (e.g., an NHL team hiring an AHL assistant), this is straightforward; if it is a different organization, it requires formal permission." 4 1 1 1 Quote
Taro T Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 6 minutes ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: Knoblauch has been coaching the BEST PP in the league for the past several years with Edmonton. League rules state that once a coaches season is over, he can sign with another team in the playoffs as a consultant. Is this a move the Sabres GM should make? "An NHL team can hire a current assistant coach from another team as a consultant once their season is over, but it requires permission from the coach's current team because they are still under contract. Such moves are treated as hiring to a new position, allowing for the hiring of staff during the offseason. Key points regarding this scenario: Contract Status: Coaches under contract cannot simply sign elsewhere; they need approval from their current organization, even if the team is eliminated. Consultant Roles: Teams often utilize consultants or advisors, particularly those with deep knowledge of opponents or specific strategies. Timing: Once the team's season is over, restrictions regarding working with another organization are often relaxed, provided the contract permits it or the team grants permission. Affiliation Limits: If the team is within the same organization (e.g., an NHL team hiring an AHL assistant), this is straightforward; if it is a different organization, it requires formal permission." Like the thinking outside the box. Not sure if even Appert could screw up a PP that has both McDavid and Draisatl on it. So, not sure just how much of that is due to Knoblauch. 4 2 1 Quote
RETURNTOGLORY Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 14 minutes ago, Taro T said: Like the thinking outside the box. Not sure if even Appert could screw up a PP that has both McDavid and Draisatl on it. So, not sure just how much of that is due to Knoblauch. It's all about the schemes. We have the talent BUT our X's and O's are the problem. 1 3 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 33 minutes ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: Knoblauch has been coaching the BEST PP in the league for the past several years with Edmonton. League rules state that once a coaches season is over, he can sign with another team in the playoffs as a consultant. Is this a move the Sabres GM should make? "An NHL team can hire a current assistant coach from another team as a consultant once their season is over, but it requires permission from the coach's current team because they are still under contract. Such moves are treated as hiring to a new position, allowing for the hiring of staff during the offseason. Key points regarding this scenario: Contract Status: Coaches under contract cannot simply sign elsewhere; they need approval from their current organization, even if the team is eliminated. Consultant Roles: Teams often utilize consultants or advisors, particularly those with deep knowledge of opponents or specific strategies. Timing: Once the team's season is over, restrictions regarding working with another organization are often relaxed, provided the contract permits it or the team grants permission. Affiliation Limits: If the team is within the same organization (e.g., an NHL team hiring an AHL assistant), this is straightforward; if it is a different organization, it requires formal permission." I'll get right on it. 10 minutes ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: It's all about the schemes. We have the talent BUT our X's and O's are the problem. Do you really believe hockey runs off plays like football??? 1 Quote
Ghost of Ville Leino Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 TAKE IT EASY SETH WE JUST WON A ***** SERIES 1 Quote
RETURNTOGLORY Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll get right on it. Do you really believe hockey runs off plays like football??? Have you ever played organized hockey? Yes, hockey coaches heavily use X's and O's to diagram plays, set up breakout strategies, design power plays, and plan defensive zone systems. 2 Quote
TageMVP Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 F that guy. He blows Who can't win a cup with McDavid? Loser 1 2 1 Quote
... Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 59 minutes ago, TageMVP said: F that guy. He blows Who can't win a cup with McDavid? Loser McDavid can't win a Cup with McDavid and Draisatl. He can't win gold with McDavid, Hagel, and Celebrini. What a joke. Quote
oddoublee Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'll get right on it. Do you really believe hockey runs off plays like football??? You seem so much happier when you're baking apple pies for the neighborhood kids, Mrs Appert. 4 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 2 hours ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: Knoblauch has been coaching the BEST PP in the league for the past several years with Edmonton. League rules state that once a coaches season is over, he can sign with another team in the playoffs as a consultant. Is this a move the Sabres GM should make? "An NHL team can hire a current assistant coach from another team as a consultant once their season is over, but it requires permission from the coach's current team because they are still under contract. Such moves are treated as hiring to a new position, allowing for the hiring of staff during the offseason. Key points regarding this scenario: Contract Status: Coaches under contract cannot simply sign elsewhere; they need approval from their current organization, even if the team is eliminated. Consultant Roles: Teams often utilize consultants or advisors, particularly those with deep knowledge of opponents or specific strategies. Timing: Once the team's season is over, restrictions regarding working with another organization are often relaxed, provided the contract permits it or the team grants permission. Affiliation Limits: If the team is within the same organization (e.g., an NHL team hiring an AHL assistant), this is straightforward; if it is a different organization, it requires formal permission." Are McDavid and Draisaitl coming with him? Coaching in hockey is mostly culture. No one is telling these guys things they don't already know. The game isn't that complicated. 2 hours ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: Have you ever played organized hockey? Yes, hockey coaches heavily use X's and O's to diagram plays, set up breakout strategies, design power plays, and plan defensive zone systems. It's the same handful of "X's and O's" they've seen since peewee. There's no meaningful innovation. 1 Quote
PerreaultForever Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 3 hours ago, Taro T said: Like the thinking outside the box. Not sure if even Appert could screw up a PP that has both McDavid and Draisatl on it. So, not sure just how much of that is due to Knoblauch. Yes, this. It's the best PP because it's got the big 2 on it. 1 Quote
RETURNTOGLORY Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Are McDavid and Draisaitl coming with him? Coaching in hockey is mostly culture. No one is telling these guys things they don't already know. The game isn't that complicated. It's the same handful of "X's and O's" they've seen since peewee. There's no meaningful innovation. You keep believing this *****. 1 Quote
tom webster Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 So if all it is about a bad scheme, couldn’t Buffalo just watch Edmonton and mimic their scheme? Why wouldn’t they do this? Wouldn’t every team in the league just do it? The Sabres are amongst the league best teams at five on five. Are their coaches smart enough to scheme that up but not bright enough to determine what makes a successful power play? Power plays are almost like goaltending, they’re quirky. Half the teams that made the playoffs had power plays that struggled all year. Colorado, the best team in the league had the worst power play for most of the season. Most of the time it’s just about a bad mix of skill sets. Buffalo has very few play-makers. Their best may be Östlund which is why he seemed to have such a positive effect when healthy and playing on the top unit. It would be great if the power play was better but power play opportunities tend to become less and less as you advance. Hopefully it becomes less of an issue. 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 7 hours ago, RETURNTOGLORY said: Have you ever played organized hockey? Yes, hockey coaches heavily use X's and O's to diagram plays, set up breakout strategies, design power plays, and plan defensive zone systems. Right. But once the skating starts, you are improvising and reacting to what is actually happening in the ice. Further, I'm pretty sure the plays coaches draw up don't include losing faceoffs, turning the puck over or making bad passes. Those are called mistakes. 4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Yes, this. It's the best PP because it's got the big 2 on it. And where are they now? Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 5 hours ago, oddoublee said: You seem so much happier when you're baking apple pies for the neighborhood kids, Mrs Appert. Do you actually believe: 1) All Seth Appert does is coach the power play? 2) He doesn't contribute anything to the overall high performance of the team? 3) That Jack Adams finalist Lindy Ruff would put up with him if he was as bad as you think? Quote
RochesterExpat Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Are McDavid and Draisaitl coming with him? I know McDavid just extended for two years, but if the same management team is in place next season, do we really picture him coming back for 27-28? That team is so poorly managed it’s amazing and McDavid’s call outs (the “average team” comment after their next and the comparison to Tampa earlier in the season) say a lot. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 (edited) BTW I just looked up the Amerks power play stats and they were actually #2 in the AHL, around 32%! Yet they barely made the plays and got bounced in rd 1. Maybe Vinnie Prospal will get that promotion. Edited May 2 by PromoTheRobot Quote
LGR4GM Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: BTW I just looked up the Amerks power play stats and they were actually #2 in the AHL, around 32%! Yet they barely made the plays and got bounced in rd 1. Maybe Vinnie Prospal will get that promotion. Your argument is basically we won in spite of this issue so why fix it? Quote
oddoublee Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Do you actually believe: 1) All Seth Appert does is coach the power play? 2) He doesn't contribute anything to the overall high performance of the team? 3) That Jack Adams finalist Lindy Ruff would put up with him if he was as bad as you think? Just having a lil fun. Go sabres! Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Your argument is basically we won in spite of this issue so why fix it? We won despite it. Power play goals don't count for more. So as long as you are scoring elsewhere, it's a concern but it's not the be-all, end-all. https://www.nhl.com/stats/teams?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20252026&seasonTo=20252026&gameType=3&sort=powerPlayPct&page=0&pageSize=50 Note that the bottom 7 teams in power play advanced to the next round. Edited May 2 by PromoTheRobot Quote
tom webster Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Your argument is basically we won in spite of this issue so why fix it? I think the fix isn’t as simple as people think. Certain players are just better at certain things so there’s a little bit of a trade off. They could pull a Detroit and sign Kane and JVR and be great on the PP. Problem is, you have to take a couple of forwards who help you more at 5X5 or 4X5. I would love the PP to be better but I think the two Cup finalists are going to be teams that excel 5X5. I’m even hoping that the finalist are two of the worst PP teams, Colorado and Buffalo. 2 Quote
Eleven Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 37 minutes ago, shrader said: Did I miss Knoblauch gerting fired? Something's missing all right... Quote
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