Random and (kinda) interesting, how was the roster put together

[mjd1001]

I'm not sure how much different this is than other teams, but, I took a look at all the skaters on this team making over $1m per year.  Currently 12 forwards and 8 D-men.

Of the 12 forwards only one was drafted by the Sabress (Jack Quinn). Everyone else was traded for or signed as a free agent (Norris, Thompson, McLeod, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Danforth, Krebs, Malenstyn, Carrick, Pearson)  11 of the 12 guys were not 'home grown'.

On Defense, 3 of the 8 guys were drafted, 5 of the 8 were acquired other ways. Drafted (Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson).  Everyone else: Bryam, Timmins, Kesserling, Stanley, Schenn)

I would have just thought, with all the draft picks, more of them would have 'stayed around' and there would be a few more 'home grown' guys on the team.

[Taro T]

22 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure how much different this is than other teams, but, I took a look at all the skaters on this team making over $1m per year.  Currently 12 forwards and 8 D-men.

Of the 12 forwards only one was drafted by the Sabress (Jack Quinn). Everyone else was traded for or signed as a free agent (Norris, Thompson, McLeod, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Danforth, Krebs, Malenstyn, Carrick, Pearson)  11 of the 12 guys were not 'home grown'.

On Defense, 3 of the 8 guys were drafted, 5 of the 8 were acquired other ways. Drafted (Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson).  Everyone else: Bryam, Timmins, Kesserling, Stanley, Schenn)

I would have just thought, with all the draft picks, more of them would have 'stayed around' and there would be a few more 'home grown' guys on the team.

Only 1 of the 3 goalies is homegrown as well.

[GASabresIUFAN]

15 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Of the 12 forwards only one was drafted by the Sabress (Jack Quinn). Everyone else was traded for or signed as a free agent (Norris, Thompson, McLeod, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Danforth, Krebs, Malenstyn, Carrick, Pearson)  11 of the 12 guys were not 'home grown'.

Bad drafting, but many of the players were acquired with drafted players or draft picks 

JJP —-> Doan and Kesselring 

Cozens —-> Norris

Eichel —> Tuch, Krebs, Östlund

Savoie —> McLeod

Mittelstadt —> Byram

Zadarov, Compher, Grigorenko —> ROR —> Thompson

Reinhart —> Kulich

2nd —> Malenstyn

2nd rd pick —> Greenway

3rd & 6th —> Carrick

7th  —> Pearson

Ristolainen —> Rosen & 2nd —> Stanley & Schenn (There is a little irony that a big physical D was acquired with the prospect drafted from the Risto trade).

Zucker, Timmins, Lyon and Danforth are the only UFAs.  Ellis is a waivers claim.  

That said our drafting outside of the 1st rd and that includes all 3 ex GMs leaves much to be desired. 

Since the 2013 draft the only 2nd rd picks to impact the Sabres are Samuelsson, UPL and JJP.  From the 3rd to the 7th rds only Bryson and Olofsson have contributed to the Sabres over 100 games.  Hagel and Borgen were the two that got away.  Maybe Kozak will reach 100 games.  

Edited March 11 by GASabresIUFAN

[TageMVP]

Kevin made some great trades 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure how much different this is than other teams, but, I took a look at all the skaters on this team making over $1m per year.  Currently 12 forwards and 8 D-men.

Of the 12 forwards only one was drafted by the Sabress (Jack Quinn). Everyone else was traded for or signed as a free agent (Norris, Thompson, McLeod, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Danforth, Krebs, Malenstyn, Carrick, Pearson)  11 of the 12 guys were not 'home grown'.

On Defense, 3 of the 8 guys were drafted, 5 of the 8 were acquired other ways. Drafted (Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson).  Everyone else: Bryam, Timmins, Kesserling, Stanley, Schenn)

I would have just thought, with all the draft picks, more of them would have 'stayed around' and there would be a few more 'home grown' guys on the team.

It seems that our best value pick for the past number of years is Samuelsson. It has taken a number of years to get a return on investment. But right now, I consider him to be one of the better defensemen in the league. I’m both stunned 😳 and ecstatic with his Great Leap Forward this year. 

[mjd1001]

Just looking back at their 1st rounders since the drought:

Joel Armia - Gone (still in NHL)

Grigorenko - Gone (KHL?)

Zemgus - Gone (still in NHL)

Risto - Gone (still in NHL)

Zadarov - Gone (still in NHL)

Reinhart - Gone (still in NHL)

Eichel - Gone (still in NHL)

Nylander - Gone (Minors?)

Mitts - Gone (still in NHL)

Dahlin - STILL HERE

Cozens - Gone (still in NHL)

R. Johnson - Minors

Jack Quinn - STILL HERE

Power - STILL HERE

Rosen - Gone (still in NHL)

Savoie - Gone (still in NHL)

Östlund, Kulich, Benson, Helenius, Mrtka - The guys that are still too young for the Sabres to get rid of them yet.

[Weave]

44 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Just looking back at their 1st rounders since the drought:

Joel Armia - Gone (still in NHL)

Grigorenko - Gone (KHL?)

Zemgus - Gone (still in NHL)

Risto - Gone (still in NHL)

Zadarov - Gone (still in NHL)

Reinhart - Gone (still in NHL)

Eichel - Gone (still in NHL)

Nylander - Gone (Minors?)

Mitts - Gone (still in NHL)

Dahlin - STILL HERE

Cozens - Gone (still in NHL)

R. Johnson - Minors

Jack Quinn - STILL HERE

Power - STILL HERE

Rosen - Gone (still in NHL)

Savoie - Gone (still in NHL)

Östlund, Kulich, Benson, Helenius, Mrtka - The guys that are still too young for the Sabres to get rid of them yet.

Thats alot of NHL talent.

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Just looking back at their 1st rounders since the drought:

Joel Armia - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded for Kane/Bogo

Grigorenko - Gone (KHL?) - Traded for ROR

Zemgus - Gone (still in NHL) - Left as UFA

Risto - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded for a 1st

Zadarov - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded for ROR

Reinhart - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded 

Eichel - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded

Nylander - Gone (Minors?) - Traded for Joki

Mitts - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded

Dahlin - STILL HERE

Cozens - Gone (still in NHL) -Traded

R. Johnson - Minors

Jack Quinn - STILL HERE (For Now?)

Power - STILL HERE

Rosen - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded

Savoie - Gone (still in NHL) - Traded

Östlund, Kulich, Benson, Helenius, Mrtka - The guys that are still too young for the Sabres to get rid of them yet. 

Edited - only one 1st rd prospect left as a FA, the rest were traded away. Reinhart, ROR and Eichel all won Cups with their new teams. 

Edited March 11 by GASabresIUFAN

[Nacho Libre]

The strength of the team is the D core

Dahlin and Power were consensus first overall pics. Accumulated from being bad. 

Samuelsson was a Botterill draft pick - and top of the second round 

Stanley a Jarmo trade and very recent 

Adams traded for Byram in his 4th season. Kesselring in his 6th.

 

The story of the strength of the team is most told by the accumulation of very good players over a very long time, really, mostly, because we were drafting very high. 

Credit the players 

[jad1]

3 minutes ago, Nacho Libre said:

The strength of the team is the D core

Dahlin and Power were consensus first overall pics. Accumulated from being bad. 

Samuelsson was a Botterill draft pick - and top of the second round 

Stanley a Jarmo trade and very recent 

Adams traded for Byram in his 4th season. Kesselring in his 6th.

 

The story of the strength of the team is most told by the accumulation of very good players over a very long time, really, mostly, because we were drafting very high. 

Credit the players 

Credit the coach.

[Nacho Libre]

1 minute ago, jad1 said:

Credit the coach.

[OverPowerYou]

The only bad trade was Reinhart. But his time was done with all the losing anyways. I don’t blame him 

[Andrew Amerk]

Without the contract caveat you have, you could add Benson, Östlund, Metsa, Kozak, and Kulich - then the 4 “home grown” skaters becomes 9. 

[Doohickie]

17 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

That said our drafting outside of the 1st rd and that includes all 3 ex GMs leaves much to be desired. 

Does it?  Just because the Sabres chose to trade, say, JJP for Doan and Kesselring, doesn't make JJP a bad draft pick (same with Cozens, Mitts, etc.)  It's more of an indicator, I think, of the Sabres having consistently high draft picks from their years wandering in the wilderness and with those picks you take the best player available rather than the player to fill a need on the team (based on existing prospect pool).  That BPA can later be cashed in for what a team needs.

In the NFL teams are picking league-ready prospects after several years of college (which is like the minor leagues for the NFL).  Most NHLers are picked at 18 before they've done any development at the adult level, so you don't know how that player will turn out.  It makes sense to see a lot of swapping of NHL prospects since most were picked years before being NHL read (honey badgers notwithstanding).  Same is true of MLB.

It's not necessarily a failing by the Sabres, it's the nature of the business.

[Weave]

2 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

Does it?  Just because the Sabres chose to trade, say, JJP for Doan and Kesselring, doesn't make JJP a bad draft pick (same with Cozens, Mitts, etc.)  It's more of an indicator, I think, of the Sabres having consistently high draft picks from their years wandering in the wilderness and with those picks you take the best player available rather than the player to fill a need on the team (based on existing prospect pool).  That BPA can later be cashed in for what a team needs.

In the NFL teams are picking league-ready prospects after several years of college (which is like the minor leagues for the NFL).  Most NHLers are picked at 18 before they've done any development at the adult level, so you don't know how that player will turn out.  It makes sense to see a lot of swapping of NHL prospects since most were picked years before being NHL read (honey badgers notwithstanding).  Same is true of MLB.

It's not necessarily a failing by the Sabres, it's the nature of the business.

I posted earlier, that alot of NHL talent on that list.  Id say their first round drafting has been quite successful.

[Pimlach]

18 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm not sure how much different this is than other teams, but, I took a look at all the skaters on this team making over $1m per year.  Currently 12 forwards and 8 D-men.

Of the 12 forwards only one was drafted by the Sabress (Jack Quinn). Everyone else was traded for or signed as a free agent (Norris, Thompson, McLeod, Tuch, Zucker, Greenway, Danforth, Krebs, Malenstyn, Carrick, Pearson)  11 of the 12 guys were not 'home grown'.

On Defense, 3 of the 8 guys were drafted, 5 of the 8 were acquired other ways. Drafted (Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson).  Everyone else: Bryam, Timmins, Kesserling, Stanley, Schenn)

I would have just thought, with all the draft picks, more of them would have 'stayed around' and there would be a few more 'home grown' guys on the team.

Which is a big reason why when KA sat in all his picks and prospects the rebuild went into slow motion and the team development was stuck in the mud.   

 

[Skibum]

It's such a trip to think that Adams made all those moves to build this amazing team, and yet they didn't do squat until the day he was fired. What a bizarre phenomenon.