What does the Tuch trade look like?

[Archie Lee]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

For me absolutely not.

He's a fan favorite (if this team has any of those anymore, he's one of them). Hes  still going to be near the top of your scoring list at the end of the year barring injury. But that is THIS year, you are signing him for the next 7 or so after this year.

As I posted 2 days ago, his analytics are already sliding.  His skating stats/analytics have been going down 3-4 years in a row.

When a team signs a bad contract, usually the fan base (or the team itself) says something like "how could we know he would be one of those players that age would catch up on so quickly?"   Well, with Tuch, the signs are there, the stats on his skating are there. His overall stats are trending.

Not just this year, but over the last few years.

I'd much, MUCH rather spend tha money on Doan and Benson and i guess Kesserling..maybe resign Malenstyn and fill out the othe 2-3 spots in the roster you will have next year.

I agree on Tuch. I think a good GM would find a way to use the $10 million more wisely over the course of the 6-8 years. Of course, we don’t have a good GM. 

Also, I will add that a Benson extension should be relatively cheap. I love the kid, but he has 2 goals in his last 51 games and has gone 33 games without a goal. After his great start to this year, he has 5 assists in his last 13 games. Though he brings a lot of other things to the table, forwards who score like he does simply don’t get big contracts.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

I agree on Tuch. I think a good GM would find a way to use the $10 million more wisely over the course of the 6-8 years. Of course, we don’t have a good GM. 

Also, I will add that a Benson extension should be relatively cheap. I love the kid, but he has 2 goals in his last 51 games and has gone 33 games without a goal. After his great start to this year, he has 5 assists in his last 13 games. Though he brings a lot of other things to the table, forwards who score like he does simply don’t get big contracts.

Benson deserves no more than a bridge at this point. I too love him but agree with everything said here. 

I think Tuch gets moved before the deadline, they are barreling towards another rebuild. 

[#freejame]

24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Benson deserves no more than a bridge at this point. I too love him but agree with everything said here. 

I think Tuch gets moved before the deadline, they are barreling towards another rebuild. 

Give him the ol Owen Power Power Bridge. By year 7 it will pay for itself 

[Taro T]

14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Benson deserves no more than a bridge at this point. I too love him but agree with everything said here. 

I think Tuch gets moved before the deadline, they are barreling towards another rebuild. 

They are.  But there is no reason for a full teardown before beginning this one.  Turn the reins over to Kekaleinen prior to making any major moves.  Trade Tuch, UPL, and Byram - 3 guys that you can get value for (or at least you could've this past off-season).  Dump Quinn for what you can.  Let Jarmo decide whether to keep Greenway or not.  If you aren't going completely off the board putting him on the 1st line rather than the 4th line where he belongs, you might keep him as the team needs to be getting older, not younger and there'll be a case for having Rosen, Östlund, Helenius on occassion, and at least one of Novikov or Johnson and Levi on the roster.

Dahlin is the one untouchable on this roster.  

Get a legit coach and some non-Apperts under him and see what the rest of the team can do the rest of this year realizing that if you wait until the Olympic break to make that move that the team is going to be playing free and loose as they'll have no realistic shot at the playoffs by then, so you'll be effectively viewing what their absolute ceiling together is.

What a waste it's all been.

[Pimlach]

No doubt another rebuild is upon us.  Which means no more Lindy Ruff, please.  Not as a coach or FO advisor.  Just go.  
 

Tage Thompson will be asking for a trade, I can see it and hear it.  
 

 

[LGR4GM]

24 minutes ago, Taro T said:

They are.  But there is no reason for a full teardown before beginning this one.  Turn the reins over to Kekaleinen prior to making any major moves.  Trade Tuch, UPL, and Byram - 3 guys that you can get value for (or at least you could've this past off-season).  Dump Quinn for what you can.  Let Jarmo decide whether to keep Greenway or not.  If you aren't going completely off the board putting him on the 1st line rather than the 4th line where he belongs, you might keep him as the team needs to be getting older, not younger and there'll be a case for having Rosen, Östlund, Helenius on occassion, and at least one of Novikov or Johnson and Levi on the roster.

Dahlin is the one untouchable on this roster.  

Get a legit coach and some non-Apperts under him and see what the rest of the team can do the rest of this year realizing that if you wait until the Olympic break to make that move that the team is going to be playing free and loose as they'll have no realistic shot at the playoffs by then, so you'll be effectively viewing what their absolute ceiling together is.

What a waste it's all been.

I just feel so sad and defeated as a fan. 

[Brawndo]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

I just feel so sad and defeated as a fan. 

Same, I got this way with the Bills at one point in their drought.

[LGR4GM]

Keep (either because I like them, think it is better than a trade, or their contract makes them hard to trade)

Norris, McLeod, Benson, Zucker, Doan, Kulich, Kozak, Östlund (I think Thompson will ask out)

Dahlin, Kesselring, Samuelsson, and Power (I would trade him but we need bodies)

Lyon and 1 of Ellis or UPL

That means Tuch, Thompson, Greenway, Quinn, Krebs, Byram, Timmins, Bryson, and either Ellis or UPL are all traded or not signed. You gotta add enough defenders to keep Mrtka in Rochester next year. He's gonna be really good but he isn't ready yet. 

Edited 26 minutes ago by LGR4GM

[Pimlach]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Keep (either because I like them, think it is better than a trade, or their contract makes them hard to trade)

Norris, McLeod, Benson, Zucker, Doan, Kulich, Kozak, Östlund (I think Thompson will ask out)

Dahlin, Kesselring, Samuelsson, and Power (I would trade him but we need bodies)

Lyon and 1 of Ellis or UPL

That means Tuch, Thompson, Greenway, Quinn, Krebs, Byram, Timmins, Bryson, and either Ellis or UPL are all traded or not signed. You gotta add enough defenders to keep Kesselring in Rochester next year. He's gonna be really good but he isn't ready yet. 

You don’t mean Kesselring, you mean Mrtka. 

[LGR4GM]

I am on the draft Stenberg train. I think McKenna will produce more offense in the NHL and has a higher ceiling but Stenberg is bigger Benson or more talented Doan. He is also NHL ready to a degree, he is almost a ppg player in the SHL which at 18 (he's old for his class and if he was in a lower league I would be less high on him) is the best in SHL history going all the back into the 80s I think. Only Sedin was close to his ppg rate. Maybe my mind will change, we still have WJC and the entire 2nd half of the season. McKenna can absolutely change my mind with his toolbox but I can't convince my brain to draft any more high ceiling offensive minded wingers with limited 2way ability. 

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You don’t mean Kesselring, you mean Mrtka. 

yes, sorry. I will edit it.