Rumored Past Trade Proposal Risto for Ehlers

[Brawndo]

Botterill wanted a Winnipeg second round pick to be included that’s what is rumored to have sunk the deal 

Edited January 10 by Brawndo

[LGR4GM]

Jfc we've had incompetent gms

[inkman]

11 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Botterill wanted a Winnipeg second round pick to be included that’s what is rumored to have sunk the deal 

[Carmel Corn]

Ugh…GM incompetence strikes once again.

[GASabresIUFAN]

So what can we get for Power?

[Indabuff]

Can we trade Terry?

[ShadowOnTheDoor]

I sincerely worry that Östlund and Helenius are going to be Asplund 2.0 and 3.0.

[LGR4GM]

18 minutes ago, ShadowOnTheDoor said:

I sincerely worry that Östlund and Helenius are going to be Asplund 2.0 and 3.0.

Entirely possible. 

[Pimlach]

38 minutes ago, ShadowOnTheDoor said:

I sincerely worry that Östlund and Helenius are going to be Asplund 2.0 and 3.0.

 

19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Entirely possible. 

What is going on in Rochester?  The stats I am finding, well I hopew they are wrong.  

I see Helenius has 6G, 17 Pts in 28 games.  

Östlund has 1G in only 12 games.  Is he injured?  

[DarthEbriate]

It all depends on when this proposed trade takes place.

Is it pre-Skinner? Is it with Hall and Skinner -- before Eichel demands his trade or gets injured?

Is Montour already on the team?

Is Krueger still the coach or have they moved on to Granato?

On the d-corps, moving Ristolainen is fine, but then you need to bring in a veteran for still-very-young Dahlin -- which -- if Adams the GM, when has he been able to manage that for Power?

58 minutes ago, ShadowOnTheDoor said:

I sincerely worry that Östlund and Helenius are going to be Asplund 2.0 and 3.0.

Östlund maybe, although he has more offensive chops. Helenius I think has a legitimate NHL career ahead of him. Asplund was 21 (or late 20 and turned 21) in his first season in Rochester. Helenius is 18 and won't be 19 until during the playoffs.

Helenius'll have that shield down. We gotta give him more time.

[LGR4GM]

35 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

 

What is going on in Rochester?  The stats I am finding, well I hopew they are wrong.  

I see Helenius has 6G, 17 Pts in 28 games.  

Östlund has 1G in only 12 games.  Is he injured?  

He was, but frankly he isn't big or strong enough for NA hockey. 

[shrader]

I refuse to believe anything that comes out of Winnipeg.  Ehlers has been mentioned every single year in rumors since the Nixon administration.  And then there was a couple summers ago when Hellebuyck and Scheifele were on their way out.  That organization is the master of the smoke screen.

[JohnC]

13 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

So what can we get for Power?

If the Sabres trade Power, they should fold up and get out of the business. That would be foolishness at an exponential level. I don't know where your animus comes from regarding this player. What you see is the opposite of what I'm seeing. Would it be inappropriate to recommend that you make an appointment with an optometrist? Your vision has become very jaundiced. Prescribed eyedrops should be able to correct the distorted vision.  

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

If the Sabres trade Power, they should fold up and get out of the business. That would be foolishness at an exponential level. I don't know where your animus comes from regarding this player. What you see is the opposite of what I'm seeing. Would it be inappropriate to recommend that you make an appointment with an optometrist? Your vision has become very jaundiced. Prescribed eyedrops should be able to correct the distorted vision.  

Lol.  This team doesn’t have enough quality centers, playmakers, or defensive D.  What we do have is an excess of highly paid, defensively challenged offensive D and not enough PT to spread around to maximize their talent.  We are at the bottom of the NHL again, so sure keep the 3 offensive LHD because that’s working so well.   I get it let’s wait another 3 years and hope that Byram and Power improve defensively.  That makes so much sense after missing the playoffs for 14 straight years.

Let’s also sign Byram to a Power type deal so that are 3 “top” D, who don’t play defense very well eat up $27 mill in cap (1/3 of the internal cap).  That makes even more sense.  

I get it, keep the failed status quo, don’t make any substantive changes to the lineup and just keep losing.  
 

Or….. maybe change course, move out a highly paid redundant player who has significant trade value and fix other parts of the roster?  Nah, it’s so much more  fun to just keep losing.

Edited January 10 by GASabresIUFAN

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Lol.  This team doesn’t have enough quality centers, playmakers, or defensive D.  What we do have is an excess of highly paid, defensively challenged offensive D and not enough PT to spread around to maximize their talent.  We are at the bottom of the NHL again, so sure keep the 3 offensive LHD because that’s working so well.   I get it let’s wait another 3 years and hope that Byram and Power improve defensively.  That makes so much sense after missing the playoffs for 14 straight years.

Let’s also sign Byram to a Power type deal so that are 3 “top” D, who don’t play defense very well eat up $27 mill in cap (1/3 of the internal cap).  That makes even more sense.  

I get it, keep the failed status quo, don’t make any substantive changes to the lineup and just keep losing.  
 

Or….. maybe change course, move out a highly paid redundant player who has significant trade value and fix other parts of the roster?  Nah, it’s so much more  fun to just keep losing.

Trading an emerging player such as Power out of frustration with the current situation is in my view taking a step backwards, as it was with the departures of Eichel and Reinhart. It's not an issue for me that I am satisfied with the status quo. If you have read my posts correctly you would realize that my distaste for KA is that he didn't do enough this past offseason. Could we have added another Zucker like player to this roster? I believe that it would have been doable. Could we have added a veteran and more rugged defensive/defenseman to the blueline unit? Again, I believed that it was doable. 

I'm not in your camp of dramatically blowing things up, at least not to the extent you seem to be proposing. I just think a few more smart moves would better augment what we now have and provide a better support system for the young players that this regime is apparently invested in. 

Side note: I like Byram more than you do. Partnering him with Dahlin makes a lot of sense to me. Will he require a rich and extended contract? Yes. The market price for a first pairing defenseman is high. If you have to pay the market rate, you do so. 

[bob_sauve28]

15 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

So what can we get for Power?

You want to trade away another top end young guy before he gets anywhere near his prime? 

Why? 

[inkman]

Just now, bob_sauve28 said:

You want to trade away another top end young guy before he gets anywhere near his prime? 

Why? 

To get a better young guy already in his prime 

[bob_sauve28]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

To get a better young guy already in his prime 

Instead of two semi-decent vets, a draft pick and a thank you note from Owen after he wins the Cup somewhere else? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

4 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Instead of two semi-decent vets, a draft pick and a thank you note from Owen after he wins the Cup somewhere else? 

We have 3 young offensive D.  We really only have enough PT for 2 and desperately need playmakers, centers and defensive D to make this roster whole.  You trade from strength to fix the roster.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It also saves $8 mill a year which can be allocated elsewhere.  

Folks you have to give to get.  Not every prospect is going to develop into a star player.  Power, while extremely talented, is the worst of our 3 young offensive D, two of which (Byram and Power) are defensive liabilities.  Our team has been one of the worst defensive teams for years.  This needs to change if we are ever going to be a good team.  Waiting another 3 years for Byram and Power to figure it out defensively is not a recipe for success.  

Someone you have to take a risk.  Power doesn't engage physically despite his size and Byram does while producing the same offense.  I think he can also be retained for less than Power is being paid.  

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

We have 3 young offensive D.  We really only have enough PT for 2 and desperately need playmakers, centers and defensive D to make this roster whole.  You trade from strength to fix the roster.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It also saves $8 mill a year which can be allocated elsewhere.  

Folks you have to give to get.  Not every prospect is going to develop into a star player.  Power, while extremely talented, is the worst of our 3 young offensive D, two of which (Byram and Power) are defensive liabilities.  Our team has been one of the worst defensive teams for years.  This needs to change if we are ever going to be a good team.  Waiting another 3 years for Byram and Power to figure it out defensively is not a recipe for success.  

Someone you have to take a risk.  Power doesn't engage physically despite his size and Byram does while producing the same offense.  I think he can also be retained for less than Power is being paid.  

I don't understand your reasoning related to playing time. There is more than plenty of playing time for your top three young defensive players. And you are not factoring the reality of injuries in a long and grinding season. 

The both of us are riding in two different trains going in the opposite direction on this blueline issue. 

[LGR4GM]

What would be the highest paid top 4 defenders in the NHL? How would they stack up once Buffalo pays Byram? Because if we are at or near the top, we need to move off of someone, we just aren't getting the production offensively or defensively to warrant that. 

[7+6=13]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

We have 3 young offensive D.  We really only have enough PT for 2 and desperately need playmakers, centers and defensive D to make this roster whole.  You trade from strength to fix the roster.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It also saves $8 mill a year which can be allocated elsewhere.  

Folks you have to give to get.  Not every prospect is going to develop into a star player.  Power, while extremely talented, is the worst of our 3 young offensive D, two of which (Byram and Power) are defensive liabilities.  Our team has been one of the worst defensive teams for years.  This needs to change if we are ever going to be a good team.  Waiting another 3 years for Byram and Power to figure it out defensively is not a recipe for success.  

Someone you have to take a risk.  Power doesn't engage physically despite his size and Byram does while producing the same offense.  I think he can also be retained for less than Power is being paid.  

What specific player or what hypothetical type of player could we get for Power?

[JP51]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:56 PM, JohnC said:

If the Sabres trade Power, they should fold up and get out of the business. That would be foolishness at an exponential level. I don't know where your animus comes from regarding this player. What you see is the opposite of what I'm seeing. Would it be inappropriate to recommend that you make an appointment with an optometrist? Your vision has become very jaundiced. Prescribed eyedrops should be able to correct the distorted vision.  

I kind of differ here... and this literally goes for any player on the team... I am against trading no one... as long as we are getting the best player in trade and not drastically over paying... so... you want Power Thompson Peterka and our 1st for McDavid (and I am not saying this is legitimate or even approximates what a trade like that looks like just an example) do you not trade Power?  I go back to the LaFontaine/Turgeon trade.... no one was untouchable for the right return... I am in the same place here... 

Edited January 15 by JP51

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

I kind of differ here... and this literally goes for any player on the team... I am against trading no one... as long as we are getting the best player in trade and not drastically over paying... so... you want Power Thompson Peterka and our 1st for McDavid (and I am not saying this is legitimate or even approximates what a trade like that looks like just an example) do you not trade Power?  I go back to the LaFontaine/Turgeon trade.... no one was untouchable for the right return... I am in the same place here... 

I am adamantly opposed to trading Power. If you want to continue seeing former Sabres thrive on other teams, then continue with the foolishness that has been characteristic of the Pegula era. When the calculations are tabulated, how did the Eichel and Reinhart deal work out? The last thing I want is to allow our current sycophantic GM to make major deals. It's a recipe for additional disastrous transactions that send our backward franchise further back. 

[Archie Lee]

10 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I am adamantly opposed to trading Power. If you want to continue seeing former Sabres thrive on other teams, then continue with the foolishness that has been characteristic of the Pegula era. When the calculations are tabulated, how did the Eichel and Reinhart deal work out? The last thing I want is to allow our current sycophantic GM to make major deals. It's a recipe for additional disastrous transactions that send our backward franchise further back. 

I have no interest in selling Power for pieces. But a trade that sees us deal Power (or Byram) for a player who helps us win now (and at least for a few years) is not a terrible idea. Completing such a trade would be challenging, but the theory doesn’t offend me.