GDT: Carolina at Buffalo 10/4/22 7pm. MSG, WGR

[Taro T]

14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But those points don't just evaporate. If Florida only has 85 points. Those 30-some points end up on other teams.

Your point being?

 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Your point being?

 

That there are 1,312 contests in an NHL season and 2,624 points (and potentially up to 3,936) must be earned between 32 teams.  You can't say "all you need is 86 points to make the playoffs" because any point Team A fails to earn is earned by Team B and so on.

Last year 2,912 points were earned in total during the 21/22 season. That breaks out to 91 per team.

[Taro T]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That there are 1,312 contests in an NHL season and 2,624 points (and potentially up to 3,936) must be earned between 32 teams.  You can't say "all you need is 86 points to make the playoffs" because any point Team A fails to earn is earned by Team B and so on.

Last year 2,912 points were earned in total during the 21/22 season. That breaks out to 91 per team.

And, if teams trailing the Caps took more points, then the Caps & other teams ahead of them wouldn't've had as many points.

You need to be ahead of the 9th place team to make the playoffs.  Period.  You might be 16 points ahead of them, but you only actually need to be 1 point ahead of them (to avoid tiebreaker which might work against you).

Perhaps, had half of the east not been hot buckets of pus for a majority of their games, it would've taken more than 85 points to be ahead of the "best" of them.  They weren't and it didn't.  Is what it is.

Again, what is your point?

[Pimlach]

I saw the highlights of the game   I admire Tage for his action and leadership but I sure hope he doesn’t have to fight much.   He is not a natural at it  Save the hands for scoring goals.  
 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Again, what is your point?

That we will need close to 100 points to make the playoffs, and doing so won't be mediocre.

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That we will need close to 100 points to make the playoffs, and doing so won't be mediocre.

Of course they'll very likely need close to 100 points.  NHL 0.600 tends to be the magic #.  You can get in with less, but that pretty much seals it.  But that will likely be the 15th best record in the league, which in a 32 team league is one slot from the definition of mediocre.

[#freejame]

If the Sabres were the #1 seed and we lost here half the board would be saying we lost to a mediocre team and we should be embarrassed. Most years the 8th place team is mediocre. Just like the winner of the NFC East is usually mediocre or the winner of the AFC South this season. Just because you make the playoffs doesn’t mean you’re a good team, it just means you’ve given yourself a shot. 

[PromoTheRobot]

23 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Of course they'll very likely need close to 100 points.  NHL 0.600 tends to be the magic #.  You can get in with less, but that pretty much seals it.  But that will likely be the 15th best record in the league, which in a 32 team league is one slot from the definition of mediocre.

Again, mediocre is a pejorative and does not describe the act of breaking a playoff drought.

https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/24/mediocre/#:~:text=Although some dictionaries accept the,are almost always more negative.

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Although some dictionaries accept the meaning of this word as “medium” or “average,” in fact its connotations are almost always more negative.

 

Edited October 6, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Taro T]

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Again, mediocre is a pejorative and does not describe the act of breaking a playoff drought.

https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/24/mediocre/#:~:text=Although some dictionaries accept the,are almost always more negative.

 

That YOU and the publisher of some random dictionary (not to be confused with the Random House Dictionary which people have actually heard of 😉 ) think mediocre is a pejorative does not make it so.  This ISN'T Lake Wobegon.

And, yes, being in the middle of the pack is about as textbook as you can get for an example of mediocre.  Why would the team having been bad the previous year have an effect on whether the team was mediocre in the current year?  The Otters getting in with the 16th best record in hockey wouldn't be mediocre, but the Bolts doing the same would be, as one had "broken through" and the other hadn't?  That makes no sense.

Really not sure whether you'll get any more responses to this as it really isn't worthy of the 2 pages worth of this thread it's already taken up.

[DarthEbriate]

I blame movies.

[bob_sauve28]

Examples of mediocre in a Sentence

They sensed that mediocre students like Roosevelt really did possess a set of virtues that needed to be protected and cherished.— David Brooks, New York Times Book Review, 6 Nov. 2005Of course, it could be that what Wesley has been through steeled his nerves and transformed him from a mediocre point guard into one of the fiercest shooters in the league with the game on the line.— Chad Millman, ESPN, 14 May 2001In short, they'd have to build a first-rate health-care system out of the shantytown's mediocre one—a system that would administer those drugs reliably and keep the patients' spirits up, because the second-line drugs are weak and have unpleasant side effects, which a patient has to endure for as much as two years.— Tracy Kidder, New Yorker, 10 July 2000

 The dinner was delicious, but the dessert was mediocre. The carpenter did a mediocre job. The critics dismissed him as a mediocre actor.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#examples

[That Aud Smell]

Some pedantic sh1thousery going on up in har.

And somehow I haven’t involved myself. 🤪

[Doohickie]

Someone needs to lock this thread before a nerd fight breaks out.

[bob_sauve28]

WORDS RELATED TO MEDIOCRE

decent, dull, inferior, middling, ordinary, second-rate, so-so, undistinguished, uninspired, characterless, colorless, common, conventional, fair, fairish, fair to middling, humdrum, indifferent, insignificant, intermediate

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre

[Weave]

48 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

WORDS RELATED TO MEDIOCRE

decent, dull, inferior, middling, ordinary, second-rate, so-so, undistinguished, uninspired, characterless, colorless, common, conventional, fair, fairish, fair to middling, humdrum, indifferent, insignificant, intermediate

 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre

In other words, both uses were correct and in proper context.

Congrats, you argued over nothing.

[MattPie]

The OED defines it as:

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not very good; of only average standard

- a mediocre musician/talent/performance

- I thought the play was only mediocre.

average isn't necessarily bad.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, MattPie said:

The OED defines it as:

average isn't necessarily bad.

And yet it's always used to describe a negative and is never considered a compliment.

"Congratulations, Johnny! You were falling English but now you're mediocre."

 

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

And yet it's always used to describe a negative and is never considered a compliment.

"Congratulations, Johnny! You were falling English but now you're mediocre."

 

 

In your world it is always used as a negative.  In large swaths of the rest of the world, it is used neither as a compliment nor a barb but merely a descriptor of something that is average.  

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, MattPie said:

The OED defines it as:

average isn't necessarily bad.

A reflection off our modern culture that tends to think that unless it’s the best, then it sucks; that if it ain’t first place everything else is last.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

In your world it is always used as a negative.  In large swaths of the rest of the world, it is used neither as a compliment nor a barb but merely a descriptor of something that is average.  

My world is common reality. What's yours?

[Taro T]

44 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

My world is common reality. What's yours?

That's gold Jerry, GOLD!

[Thorny]

7 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

Some pedantic sh1thousery going on up in har.

And somehow I haven’t involved myself. 🤪

It’s pointless because Promo is refusing to acknowledge the spirit of what is being said, no matter how many times it’s been explained that the argument can move beyond one’s chosen choice for the definition of mediocre. It doesn’t matter what mediocre means to anyone else in this case: we have explained that we are using it as a synonym for average.

Why we need to litigate the definition of mediocre is beyond me 

[Pimlach]

5 hours ago, Taro T said:

 

In your world it is always used as a negative.  In large swaths of the rest of the world, it is used neither as a compliment nor a barb but merely a descriptor of something that is average.  

In might mean average, but to me it has a less than average connotation. 

• Promo is an average employee. 
• Taro is a mediocre employee.  

Which would you prefer?  

[Taro T]

59 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

In might mean average, but to me it has a less than average connotation. 

• Promo is an average employee. 
• Taro is a mediocre employee.  

Which would you prefer?  

Neither.  Have been running my own business for a long time.  😉