tom webster Posted July 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 Right now game of chicken going on. Kane does not want to publicly ask to be traded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sabres Fan in NS said: Are you sure about that? I would still pay a lot for Kane and he is worth it. That does not mean that I think KA will do it. I don't think KA will do anything on the Kane front this year. Nope. Given your post and Aristocrat's, I'm dead wrong 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 I wonder if he or his agent have had quiet conversations with CHI mgmt. They must have talked about this at the exit interview. Maybe CHI, perhaps mistakenly, believes they can rebuild with Toews and Kane in place. ...but in that scenario, they trade Debrincat... which wouldn't make sense. I think the only floatable theory is that CHI is negotiating for best return value, which has likely changed since the draft is done and simply requires more time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 Friedman on 32 Thoughts wondered about Colorado for Kane. They would probably need Chicago to retain 5 million and another team to retain 2.5 Million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 What are we thinking the price is for Kane? I was under the impression of 2 B-level prospects and a 2nd or 3rd for him but then I’m also seeing suggestions like Oloffson, a 1st AND Peterka? Absolutely not, at that price I’m out. But if you can send Portillo, Ryan Johnson and a 2nd? Why would there be any reason to say no to that? I don’t see how the price can get very high for a 1 year rental, with a NTC, at 33-34 years old, and a team that is clearly tanking and should be desperate to move him for anything they can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 In 2018, the Sabres were desperate for a 1LW. How desperate? Here are the other LWs that 2018-19 opening night: Sheary, Sobotka, Girgensons. (Remie Elie was scratched and Wilson was injured.) Knowing that, they traded for Skinner: Pu, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 6th.* That's the desperation-level package to a Carolina team looking to ship him out and clear cap. I'm giving up that package at the most for 1 year of Kane because currently, my projected RWs on opening day are VO, Tuch, Okposo, and Quinn. Is Kane better than them? Absolutely, he'd push each player one line down. Are we desperate for a RW like we were for a LW in 2018? Nope. I'm against giving up valuable assets (future firsts, our top prospects, or VO) for Kane. He's a UFA next year, sign him then if VO/Quinn can't deliver. *FWIW, the equivalent Skinner package today would be: Sardarian (2021 3rd, our 2020 3rd was traded for Skinner), 2023 2nd (PHI, BUF, VGK to choose from), 2024 3rd, and 2024 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Contempt said: What thing that Terry has strongly wanted had ended up being a good thing? Making Kevyn Adams GM? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 44 minutes ago, elijah said: What are we thinking the price is for Kane? I was under the impression of 2 B-level prospects and a 2nd or 3rd for him but then I’m also seeing suggestions like Oloffson, a 1st AND Peterka? Absolutely not, at that price I’m out. But if you can send Portillo, Ryan Johnson and a 2nd? Why would there be any reason to say no to that? I don’t see how the price can get very high for a 1 year rental, with a NTC, at 33-34 years old, and a team that is clearly tanking and should be desperate to move him for anything they can get Chicago are going to need cap. Sending them Ben Bishop would probably be a part of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: *FWIW, the equivalent Skinner package today would be: Sardarian (2021 3rd, our 2020 3rd was traded for Skinner), 2023 2nd (PHI, BUF, VGK to choose from), 2024 3rd, and 2024 6th. If this is the price you don’t say no imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Friedman on 32 Thoughts wondered about Colorado for Kane. They would probably need Chicago to retain 5 million and another team to retain 2.5 Million. Chicago needs to retain all the salary they can get. I believe if they unload Kane and Toews they’ll be $30 million below the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 In the spirit of the post talking about people talking past each other… I think most people advocating for this type of trade is inferring a Taylor Hall situation where Chicago can’t get Kane’s true value because Kane forces his way to one team. If Chicago is only interested in true value and doesn’t want to unload a salary, then the deal is dead for everyone. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, elijah said: If this is the price you don’t say no imo Maybe, but nothing more. As @Flashsabre noted, Bishop's salary would be pretty handy for Chicago. Whatever you do, you don't overpay. Chicago has no leverage because they're dead set on stinking: shedding DeBrincat and Dach, letting Strome walk as an RFA (no, Strome's not great, but that's simply poor asset management, especially since you could sign him for 1 tank season if you believe he'll actually benefit your tank -- heck, you deal him as a rental if he's playing too well just like GMTM did with our goalies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, SDS said: In the spirit of the post talking about people talking past each other… I think most people advocating for this type of trade is inferring a Taylor Hall situation where Chicago can’t get Kane’s true value because Kane forces his way to one team. If Chicago is only interested in true value and doesn’t want to unload a salary, then the deal is dead for everyone. So what your saying is in this scenario, unless Chicago is able to get what they think Kane is worth they won’t trade him? I don’t think that makes a whole lotta sense. IMO they are tanking, and are currently trying to accumulate young assets. If they don’t trade Kane they get nothing for him. I would think they will take what they can get for Kane, similar to how we took what we could for Hall. It wouldn’t surprise me if it took until the trade deadline for him to be traded though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Friedman on 32 Thoughts wondered about Colorado for Kane. They would probably need Chicago to retain 5 million and another team to retain 2.5 Million. So what your saying is the Sabres could acquire Kane then flip him for assets in a salary laundering. But in the brief window of ownership, they could legally negotiate the terms of the UFA deal he will sign with them as a UFA next summer. Now that’s some serious 4D chess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 I still say wait until next off season, you give up no assets and the first wave of the new youth in Buffalo are 1 year further along in their NHL experience gained. It also allows the team the time to address further roster tweaking. Give nothing to acquire Kane now, wait the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said: Maybe, but nothing more. As @Flashsabre noted, Bishop's salary would be pretty handy for Chicago. Whatever you do, you don't overpay. Chicago has no leverage because they're dead set on stinking: shedding DeBrincat and Dach, letting Strome walk as an RFA (no, Strome's not great, but that's simply poor asset management, especially since you could sign him for 1 tank season if you believe he'll actually benefit your tank -- heck, you deal him as a rental if he's playing too well just like GMTM did with our goalies). I think it's fairly obvious Chicago is completely deconstructing and tanking for a shot at Bedard so (I think) they will make any deal possible. Just a question of what they are willing to settle for. In the end, if it came to that, they would do a Taylor Hall type deal if there was no alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, sabresparaavida said: So what your saying is in this scenario, unless Chicago is able to get what they think Kane is worth they won’t trade him? I don’t think that makes a whole lotta sense. IMO they are tanking, and are currently trying to accumulate young assets. If they don’t trade Kane they get nothing for him. I would think they will take what they can get for Kane, similar to how we took what we could for Hall. It wouldn’t surprise me if it took until the trade deadline for him to be traded though. I would love a change of scenery where we bring in a player like Kane at the trade deadline instead of trying to sell off our spare parts and then being disappointed that nobody wanted our spare parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Flashsabre said: You haven’t visited the hockeybuzz comments section where the poster ( a Sabres fan) was adamant on giving up Cozens, Krebs and two 1sts for Kane🤣🤣🤣🤣 Clearly hasn't been paying attention to the offseason. Cozens and Krebs are too old for Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Making Kevyn Adams GM? I'll reserve judgement on that for a while yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, Contempt said: I'll reserve judgement on that for a while yet. Till the parade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Till the parade? Can they make the playoffs before we start planning the parade? Ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Contempt said: Can they make the playoffs before we start planning the parade? Ffs. My point was will it take a parade for you to come around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: My point was will it take a parade for you to come around? Move from potential to results and we will talk again. Step one is getting a goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Contempt said: Move from potential to results and we will talk again. Step one is getting a goalie. Just keep in mind abduction is Illegal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted July 11, 2022 Report Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just keep in mind abduction is Illegal. Well at the moment the plan seems to have been put together by the underpants gnomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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