shrader Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 hours ago, RochesterExpat said: Agreed. That's why I said there hasn't been any official number. Technically the closest to an 'officially' number is $7m as referenced by the Dallas Stars owner, Gaglardi, when he was complaining about handing out big contracts on expiring ELCs. People already posted the quote, but it's worth adding the whole quote because the last bit that's always left out is pretty important. "A kid in the third year of his entry-level (deal) puts up 40 goals and now he wants to make $7 million," he said. "If you want term with that player, he's going to take you higher than that. … The stars are taking all the money, and the guys in the middle are getting squeezed."He added, "I think there's a lot of players in the league making a million dollars who are better players, and then the guys who can put the puck in the net are getting too big a piece of the pie. … I don't like it, but that's the market, and that's the way it works." Is Ottawa single-handedly responsible for those comps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, shrader said: Is Ottawa single-handedly responsible for those comps? I think this is largely true. Norris (8x$7.95m) certainly is since he's the same draft year/age at signing, Stutzle (8x$8.350) because similar projections, and even Tkachuk's (7x$8.14m) contract from last year are decent comps. I think the other big contract to add as a comp is Robert Thomas with St Louis. Robertson is 20 days younger and scored two more points in two more games. Both play right wing. Robertson scored 41 goals to Thomas' 20 goals. Thomas signed an 8x$8.125m in July. I'd argue Robertson goes a bit higher than that because of his goal scoring, but it's a good comp to add to the mix. Thomas also had better line mates, but that's a different story. The funny bit is Dallas media is using Tage Thompson's contract as the floor. Thompson is 2 years older and had fewer points so I'm quite certain it's a floor, but I don't think it's the floor. I think if Norris/Stutzle are comps then, arguably, they're the floor seeing as how Robertson has the better stats. It is what it is. Dallas messed up by waiting on the extension. They let other teams drive the value up. I'd say 4 months ago people would have thought $7m was the ceiling because the flat cap. We now all but officially know that the cap is going to take some big jumps in 24 and 25. Teams want to lock in players to term now so the cap hit % is lower in the future. It blows my mind that Dallas isn't willing to offer him 8x$8.5m. I'm also surprised Robertson doesn't want to bridge now and ask for a massive payday in 2 years when the cap starts going up. I guess maybe Dallas is trying to get him to bridge at $4-5m or something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 35 minutes ago, RochesterExpat said: I think this is largely true. Norris (8x$7.95m) certainly is since he's the same draft year/age at signing, Stutzle (8x$8.350) because similar projections, and even Tkachuk's (7x$8.14m) contract from last year are decent comps. I think the other big contract to add as a comp is Robert Thomas with St Louis. Robertson is 20 days younger and scored two more points in two more games. Both play right wing. Robertson scored 41 goals to Thomas' 20 goals. Thomas signed an 8x$8.125m in July. I'd argue Robertson goes a bit higher than that because of his goal scoring, but it's a good comp to add to the mix. Thomas also had better line mates, but that's a different story. The funny bit is Dallas media is using Tage Thompson's contract as the floor. Thompson is 2 years older and had fewer points so I'm quite certain it's a floor, but I don't think it's the floor. I think if Norris/Stutzle are comps then, arguably, they're the floor seeing as how Robertson has the better stats. It is what it is. Dallas messed up by waiting on the extension. They let other teams drive the value up. I'd say 4 months ago people would have thought $7m was the ceiling because the flat cap. We now all but officially know that the cap is going to take some big jumps in 24 and 25. Teams want to lock in players to term now so the cap hit % is lower in the future. It blows my mind that Dallas isn't willing to offer him 8x$8.5m. I'm also surprised Robertson doesn't want to bridge now and ask for a massive payday in 2 years when the cap starts going up. I guess maybe Dallas is trying to get him to bridge at $4-5m or something stupid. Also Suzuki with Montreal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted September 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 I would ask for 1 to 2 Million per year if I was Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Brawndo said: I would ask for 1 to 2 Million per year if I was Robertson What am I not understanding? Surely he could command more than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Eleven said: What am I not understanding? Surely he could command more than that. I'm assuming he meant $1-2m more than what Robertson signed for and I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/28/2022 at 10:47 AM, Trettioåtta said: What ‘ranges’ could we offer sheet? On 9/28/2022 at 11:04 AM, RochesterExpat said: <$1.3m (lol) $2.1-4.2m (lol) $10.5m+ at the cost of 4 1st round picks (lol). Buffalo would need to get back our third round pick to offer sheet any other ranges. I was wrong by the way. Sorry 😞 This is true if you are offering a contract between 1 and 5 years in length. Robertson is reportedly holding out because he wants $ and term both. It's safe to assume that Buffalo is going to offer him the max term (seven years). Offer sheet AAV is calculated on the lesser of: - Number of years offered, or - Five years. When calculating a contract of 6 or 7 years, you will use 5 years for AAV. This dramatically changes the ranges in which Buffalo could offer sheet Robertson. Buffalo can afford to offer $10.5+ AAV because they currently hold the required draft picks. That's a contract value of 5 * $10.5m, or $52.5m. On a six year contract, the real AAV on a $52.5m total contract value would be $8.75m a year, but for the offer sheet AAV calculation it's still $10.5m. On a seven year contract, the real AAV on a $52.5m total contract value is $7.5m a year with the same $10.5m offer sheet AAV. Therefore, assuming that Buffalo would offer sheet a contract with 7 years of length, Buffalo could offer him $8.5-9m a year which is a reasonable amount, and they would still have the necessary draft picks to pull it off. Of course, getting him to sign it and Dallas not just matching it are entirely different stories. Of course, none of that is going to happen because real offer sheets (not just petty actions by owners) never happen. But I did want to correct the record and admit to my error. I didn't realize that about offer sheets. They just don't come up very often... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Eleven said: What am I not understanding? Surely he could command more than that. 4 hours ago, RochesterExpat said: I'm assuming he meant $1-2m more than what Robertson signed for and I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. Yep, I left out the more part 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Yep, I left out the more part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Yep, I left out the more part OK thanks! 4 hours ago, RochesterExpat said: I'm assuming he meant $1-2m more than what Robertson signed for and I don't think that's an unreasonable ask. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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inkman Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 I long for the days when any ***** contract talks stalling in football or hockey don’t result in Buffalo fans spooging themselves thinking somehow that player is going to end up on their team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted October 5, 2022 Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, inkman said: I long for the days when any ***** contract talks stalling in football or hockey don’t result in Buffalo fans spooging themselves thinking somehow that player is going to end up on their team. I can’t remember if you have always been this negative about everything or if this is a new wrinkle you are bringing to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post inkman Posted October 5, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: I can’t remember if you have always been this negative about everything or if this is a new wrinkle you are bringing to the table. I stopped smoking weed 36 hours ago. It’s affecting my disposition. Just now, inkman said: I stopped smoking weed 36 hours ago. It’s affecting my disposition. Good news, I started smoking again 1 hour ago. 3 1 15 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 4 hours ago, inkman said: I stopped smoking weed 36 hours ago. It’s affecting my disposition. Good news, I started smoking again 1 hour ago. Puff away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinder Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 5:05 PM, inkman said: I stopped smoking weed 36 hours ago. It’s affecting my disposition. Good news, I started smoking again 1 hour ago. Cannabis tames the inner beast for this guy. Don’t think I’ll ever stop again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 Oh look he didn't get traded to buffalo . what a shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Oh look he didn't get traded to buffalo . what a shock There were no reports that he was being traded to Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 6, 2022 Report Share Posted October 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: There were no reports that he was being traded to Buffalo But someone decided to create a whole thread about it 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, inkman said: But someone decided to create a whole thread about it 🤷♂️ I like to play GM for a day 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Grinder said: Cannabis tames the inner beast for this guy. Don’t think I’ll ever stop again. Never stop never stopping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/RUMORSJosh-Anderson-to-Sabrese4-NylanderSandinpick-for-Chychrune3/1/118992 E4 people, E4😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 14 hours ago, Flashsabre said: https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/RUMORSJosh-Anderson-to-Sabrese4-NylanderSandinpick-for-Chychrune3/1/118992 E4 people, E4😜 Whenever a Ek mentions comes up, I think back to the poster whose name I cannot remember, who would post one hockeybuzz rumor after another. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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