Sabres acquire goalie Malcolm Subban for Future Considerations

[Doohickie]

Sabres goalies are worse than Spinal Tap drummers.

 

[Doohickie]

A moment of silence for all the drummers who played with Spinal Tap:

• John Pepys (Stumpy) (1964-1966): Died in a “bizarre gardening accident”.
• Eric Childs (1966-1967): Choked on someone else’s vomit
• Peter James Bond (1967-1977): Exploded onstage
• Mick Shrimpton (1977-1982): Also exploded onstage
• Joe Mama Besser (1982): Went missing while on tour, presumed dead
• Ric Shrimpton (1982-1999): Sold his dialysis machine for drugs, died as a result
• Sammy Bateman (1999-2001): Attempted to jump over a tank of sharks
• Scott Scuffleton (2001-2007): Cause of death unknown
• Chris Cadeau (2007-2008): Eaten by his pet python

Edited December 6, 2021 by The Ghost of Yuri

[Doohickie]

It's about as long as the list of Sabres goalies over the last coupla seasons.

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, The Ghost of Yuri said:

A moment of silence for all the drummers who played with Spinal Tap:

• John Pepys (Stumpy) (1964-1966): Died in a “bizarre gardening accident”.
• Eric Childs (1966-1967): Choked on someone else’s vomit
• Peter James Bond (1967-1977): Exploded onstage
• Mick Shrimpton (1977-1982): Also exploded onstage
• Joe Mama Besser (1982): Went missing while on tour, presumed dead
• Ric Shrimpton (1982-1999): Sold his dialysis machine for drugs, died as a result
• Sammy Bateman (1999-2001): Attempted to jump over a tank of sharks
• Scott Scuffleton (2001-2007): Cause of death unknown
• Chris Cadeau (2007-2008): Eaten by his pet python

 

Just now, The Ghost of Yuri said:

It's about as long as the list of Sabres goalies over the last coupla seasons.

It's exactly as long a list.  9 each.  But expecting the Sabres have a real good chance of hitting at least 10 by the end of the season.  (But not expecting # 10, nor 11 to actually help sadly.)

[Doohickie]

The tragedy is that in all of this, Ryan Vinz still hasn't played a single minute in the Blue & Gold.

[Zamboni]

Upper body injury?

Lower body injury?

PTSD from being shell shocked?

 

[Doohickie]

Just now, Zamboni said:

Upper body injury?

Lower body injury?

PTSD from being shell shocked?

He left the game with a problem to his right leg after jamming that skate against the post to make a save.

[kas23]

[GASabresIUFAN]

Sabres goaltenders the last two years

2020-21

Ullmark - 9-6-3, 2.63 gaa .917 save %

Hutton - 1-10-1, 3.47 gaa .886 save %

Tokarski - 2-8-2, 3.54 gaa .904 save %

Johansson - 0-5-1, 3.79 gaa . 884 save %

Houser - 2-2-0, 3.46 gaa . 901 save %

UPL - 1-3-0, 3.88 gaa .906 save %

2021-22

Tokarski - 4-5-3, 3.28 gaa, .903 save%

Anderson - 4-2-0, 2.50 gaa, .921 save %

Dell - 0-5-0, 4.52 gaa, .872 save %

Subban - 0-1-0, 7.21 gaa, .760 save %

By the way, only 3 goalies have played more then 40 games in a season in the past 5 decades at age 40 or older, and only 1 was truly good and his name of course was Dominic Hasek.

They are 

Roloson - 50 gp - 23-18-1, 3.00 gaa and .907 save %

Belfour - 49 gp - 22-22-0, 3.29 gaa and .892 save %

Hasek - 43 gp - 28-10-5, 2.09 gaa and .925 save %

It was pretty unreasonable for KA to rely on Anderson as the solution.

  

Edited December 6, 2021 by GASabresIUFAN

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Anderson was never *the solution*.  He was one part of a plan.  Never part of a solution to anything.

[Doohickie]

15 minutes ago, The Ghost of Doohickie said:

Anderson was never *the solution*.  He was one part of a plan.  Never part of a solution to anything.

I think the plan was to have Anderson mentor UPL but UPL didn't show enough in training camp to warrant an NHL roster spot.  Now he gets one by default.  Maybe in the last couple months he's improved.  I doubt it, but maybe.

[Ducky]

On 12/5/2021 at 12:29 AM, DarthEbriate said:

The placeholder has to only be this year. Otherwise the RFAs will start to come due and not sign long-term, or will sign short-term qualifying offers to get out, or demand trades. Because at a certain point they know you don't want to win as a franchise. And then you haven't changed the culture at all -- you've just ruined the next core.

There's someone in the org ready to be a starter next season?

honest question

[Sabel79]

10 minutes ago, Ducky said:

There's someone in the org ready to be a starter next season?

honest question

Short answer: No. 

long answer: noooooooooooooo.  

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Ducky said:

There's someone in the org ready to be a starter next season?

honest question

Not at all. Until UPL starts stringing multiple quality starts together at the AHL level he can't even be considered to be the NHL backup. (Note: if UPL plays consistently great the rest of the season on the Sabres, fine... then they still need a starting caliber goalie who is ready for the grind.)

[Ducky]

22 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Not at all. Until UPL starts stringing multiple quality starts together at the AHL level he can't even be considered to be the NHL backup. (Note: if UPL plays consistently great the rest of the season on the Sabres, fine... then they still need a starting caliber goalie who is ready for the grind.)

Then.............doesn't it make sense to have a goalie signed for next season too?

RFA's have very little leverage unless they are at the end of their RFA.

Brossoit would be a great add to any team.

[DarthEbriate]

3 hours ago, Ducky said:

Then.............doesn't it make sense to have a goalie signed for next season too?

RFA's have very little leverage unless they are at the end of their RFA.

Brossoit would be a great add to any team.

For sure. And anyone who saw UPL last year knows he wasn't ready for NHL full-time duty... so the Anderson-level deal this year should have theoretically been a 2-year deal to attract someone possibly younger. A 2-year contract wasn't going to block UPL, Levi, or Portillo. It's a failing on GM Sheevyn to slight us on the goalies... getting a 40 year-old who had said he was going to retire and an AHL-level goalie who'd regressed in the last couple years.

Brossoit could be a decent stopgap.

[dudacek]

It got plenty of attention in the GDT, but this needs more.

If Malcolm Subban becomes nothing more than another Mikael Tellqvist in the Sabres archives, we need to remember him for this. As someone said in the moment, it defies the laws of physics.

https://www.nhl.com/video/subbans-glove-keeps-puck-out/t-326244582/c-9938791

 

[DarthEbriate]

That save needs its own thread.

[MBD]

That was one of the most amazing/lucky saves I've ever seen. 

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, MBD said:

That was one of the most amazing/lucky saves I've ever seen. 

True.  Thought it was post/crossbar watching it live.

Amazingly, Subban admitted he thought that as well & that the rap on his glove was due to an opponent's stick & not the puck.  If that ISN'T the best save of the year, somebody rigged the voting.  That was truly Hasek-esqe.  Darn shame it wasn't in the MMArena; that's the sort of save people tell their grandkids about & it should've been the fans of the good guys getting to say that they were actually there when it happened.

[Pimlach]

27 minutes ago, Taro T said:

True.  Thought it was post/crossbar watching it live.

Amazingly, Subban admitted he thought that as well & that the rap on his glove was due to an opponent's stick & not the puck.  If that ISN'T the best save of the year, somebody rigged the voting.  That was truly Hasek-esqe.  Darn shame it wasn't in the MMArena; that's the sort of save people tell their grandkids about & it should've been the fans of the good guys getting to say that they were actually there when it happened.

Hard for me to call it the best save of the year when he admitted it was not a deliberate attempt at a save.  We finally got  some puck luck.   These things tend to even out over the long haul. 

[MBD]

7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Hard for me to call it the best save of the year when he admitted it was not a deliberate attempt at a save.  We finally got  some puck luck.   These things tend to even out over the long haul. 

Maybe not "deliberate" in that he knew exactly where to put his arm to stop it, but he did put his arm behind him deliberately so as to potentially be able to do something like that.

[Cheektorado]

A great save at a great time.  He played pretty well the whole game.  It was nice to see.

[Taro T]

9 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Hard for me to call it the best save of the year when he admitted it was not a deliberate attempt at a save.  We finally got  some puck luck.   These things tend to even out over the long haul. 

Deliberate or instinctual, does it matter?

He also said that that swinging of his glove hand behind his back is something he does.  (Had never noticed it, haven't seen many of his games, but will be looking for it.)  It was a great save.  It wasn't Bill Hajt saving Sauve's bacon in game 3 by getting turned into the crease w/ both arm on the crossbar after avoiding taking Sauve out & then having the puck hit him in the butt staying out of the net.

[Doohickie]

8 hours ago, Cheektorado said:

A great save at a great time.  He played pretty well the whole game.  It was nice to see.

His rebound control is frightening.  He spits them out in all directions.