Flashsabre Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, inkman said: Here’s hoping LOL If Adams pulls that off then he is a miracle worker. But can he get an unprotected 1st for him?😂😂🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Aren’t we all? 🙄 He lists a dozen UFA defencemen who might be moved and most are better than Miller. To our benefit, Miller is cheaper than most and right-handed. I still say 3rd. Salary retention might push that to a 2nd hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, dudacek said: Aren’t we all? 🙄 He lists a dozen UFA defencemen who might be moved and most are better than Miller. To our benefit, Miller is cheaper than most and right-handed. I still say 3rd. Could see him bringing back a 2nd. IF Adams gets a 1st for him, he's a magician & the question becomes WTF can't he use some of that magic to land a current goalie. But yeah, a 3rd is more likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) If you compare Miller’s Fancy Stats this year to David Savard’s from last season I can see why they are asking for a First. Savard is an outstanding defensive defenseman, but Miller brings a potential offensive upside. Edited January 17, 2022 by Brawndo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brawndo said: If you compare Miller’s Fancy Stats this year to David Savard’s from last season I can see why they are asking for a First. Savard is an outstanding defensive defenseman, but Miller brings a potential offensive upside. I'd take a first in 2023 if that got this done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 Some hotshot GM that thinks he has a shot to knock over TB and thinks he is missing a coveted RHD with some offense potential and not glaring defensive downside will cough up 1st for Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 Miller for a 1st? Always remember that we got a first for Gaustad. Just need the right market and conditions and maybe lots of injuries to the playoff teams needing a right handed D. It's not likely but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 I can't see a 1st for Miller. If they do, great. I was thinking if he was moved, I'd thought they would be hoping for a 3rd but maybe getting a 4th or 5th...of course they know that market 1000 times (or more) better than I do. There is a value to 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks at times. They rarely make the NHL, but there is that 'lottery pick' aspect to them. You can get a Klingberg or a Mark Stone, Brayden Point or a Johnny Gaudreau...but those guys in the middle round are rare, once again it is a lottery ticket. The thing is, there are only so many contracts you are allowed to have as a team, you can't just keep stockpiling and stockpiling these 'lottery tickets' waiting for one to hit. I think the Sabres are at that point. To some teams (Pittsburgh is a good example), their minor league system is so bare they can use a lot of those extra 3rd or 4th or 5th rounders to restock. The Sabres, if they do draft, have to focus on quality. What does that mean? I think the Sabres are at a point where if you can trade Miller for a 2nd....you are close to getting a 1st but can't quite do it...then you trade him and thrown in one of your 3rds or even a second to upgrade to that first. You have another pending FA someone wants but only wants to give you a 5th? See if you can trade that player and your 5th rounder to get the other teams 3rd or even 4th rounder back. If a guy isn't going to be with you next year, the thought was 'get SOMETHING for him', even if its a late round pick. Right now, I don't want something back for them...I'd trade them instead to upgrade my current draft position. If that means giving someone away and going from your early 4th round pick and upgrading that to a middle-to-late 3rd rounder...so be it. If they are even CLOSE to getting a 1st for Miller but no one bites....I'd take my 3rd rounder (even though it will be a high 3rd) and throw it in with Miller if that gets it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 No more point in discussing Millers trade value until (if?) he comes off IR. He is unmovable until he gets back on the ice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Digger said: Miller for a 1st? Always remember that we got a first for Gaustad. Just need the right market and conditions and maybe lots of injuries to the playoff teams needing a right handed D. It's not likely but you never know. And remember what came of that deal? That first was flipped to Calgary along with Buffalo's 2nd..and that was turned into...Zemgus Calgary then used Nashville's first that they got from Buffalo and selected current Sabre...Mark Jankowski The 2nd that the Sabres sent to Calgary, the Flames took...Patrick Sieloff (who was later traded by the Flames to Ottawa for Alex Chiasson, and Sieloff since then has pretty much been a career minor leaguer) So Buffalo basically traded Gaustad and a 2nd (that became Sieloff) for Zemgus I guess Buffalo won that trade? Edited January 17, 2022 by mjd1001 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: And remember what came of that deal? That first was flipped to Calgary along with Buffalo's 2nd..and that was turned into...Zemgus Calgary then used Nashville's first that they got from Buffalo and selected current Sabre...Mark Jankowski The 2nd that the Sabres sent to Calgary, the Flames took...Patrick Sieloff (who was later traded by the Flames to Ottawa for Alex Chiasson, and Sieloff since then has pretty much been a career minor leaguer) So Buffalo basically traded Gaustad and a 2nd (that became Sieloff) for Zemgus I guess Buffalo won that trade? Barely. Maybe. Girgs is essentially a younger version of goose but while he has more offensive skill, he lacks with Paul’s strengths. Faceoffs, size, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I'd take a first in 2023 if that got this done. 3 hours ago, The Ghost of Doohickie said: Some hotshot GM that thinks he has a shot to knock over TB and thinks he is missing a coveted RHD with some offense potential and not glaring defensive downside will cough up 1st for Miller. Zero chance. ESPECIALLY the 2023 first. We aren't getting a 1st for Miller - don't get your hopes up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Zero chance. ESPECIALLY the 2023 first. We aren't getting a 1st for Miller - don't get your hopes up We weren't getting Krebs for Eichel either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: We weren't getting Krebs for Eichel either. Krebs being included always made sense though - it was rumor from individual sources (and especially probably Vegas themselves) that said he wasn't available. Guys like Miller don't get moved for 1sts as a general rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Krebs being included always made sense though - it was rumor from individual sources (and especially probably Vegas themselves) that said he wasn't available. Guys like Miller don't get moved for 1sts as a general rule. David Savard got moved for a 1st. Risto got moved for a first and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: David Savard got moved for a 1st. Risto got moved for a first and more Miller doesn't have the perceived value those guys have - and Risto wasn't even a deadline deal I'll happily come to terms on a charity wager if there are terms amendable to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Thorny said: Miller doesn't have the perceived value those guys have - and Risto wasn't even a deadline deal I'll happily come to terms on a charity wager if there are terms amendable to you! If I'm being honest, I don't actually care what we get for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 We're not getting much for any of our FA players. Miller might get us a decent pick (a first is laughable) but I don't expect more than a 4th or 5th. The only thing Sabres are in a position to do is take on salary from contenders who need to open up space to add somebody from somewhere else. If this is a serious rebuild they can get some assets with all that cap room but that of course depends on Terry. I fully expect us to do virtually nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: We're not getting much for any of our FA players. Miller might get us a decent pick (a first is laughable) but I don't expect more than a 4th or 5th. The only thing Sabres are in a position to do is take on salary from contenders who need to open up space to add somebody from somewhere else. If this is a serious rebuild they can get some assets with all that cap room but that of course depends on Terry. I fully expect us to do virtually nothing. It depends on Kevyn. Terry Pegula has never, ever been cheap with this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: We weren't getting Krebs for Eichel either. Actually as I remember it we weren't getting Zegras for Eichel. The stance on Krebs was a bit softer trying to wait us out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Let's Go B-Lo said: Never? <eyes O'Reilly trade> True. But XGMJB could always have chosen not to trade O'Reilly. The original sin of the O'Reilly trade is the idea of moving him in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 hours ago, inkman said: Here’s hoping If KA gets a first for Miller I’ll take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about him. He’ll be lucky to get a 3rd. The guy is a train wreck in the D zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 The most valuable player we might make available at the deadline is Hinostroza. Cheap contract and adds speed and secondary scoring. I can see us getting a second for him. Pysyk should attract interest if made available. The biggest splash move would be trading Olofsson. We’d get a first for him, but I doubt he’ll get traded at the deadline. I think management wants to see where the extension talks go before they consider trading him this off-sesson. Other then Miller, Pysyk, Hagg, Hinostroza and Olofsson (if made available) I don’t see anyone with much value. I also don’t think Girgensons or KO will be made available. I believe KA and DG likes their leadership in the lockerroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Let's Go B-Lo said: Never? <eyes O'Reilly trade> I would argue this was probably more about being “petty” than “cheap”, probably an important distinction for a rich person especially 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Eleven said: It depends on Kevyn. Terry Pegula has never, ever been cheap with this team. In the past. I'm not convinced that is the same idea going forward. They certainly didn't spend this year . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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