Jack Eichel and 2023 3rd Traded to Vegas for F Alex Tuch, C Peyton Krebs, 2022 1st Top Ten Protected and 2023 2nd

[Indabuff]

9 hours ago, JohnC said:

Jack should never have been made a captain. He was too young and immature for that designation and role. 

[rickshaw]

8 hours ago, JohnC said:

The problem wasn’t that Kane was such a bad dude and a negative influence on the younger players. The bigger issue was that there weren’t enough other veteran leaders on the team that could be good examples for the younger players and deal with the many other internal problems that all locker rooms deal with in all pro sports. Especially with a young roster, you have to get the right mixture  of players/people to create a room of supportive players that go beyond the issue of talent. 

Jack gravitated to the “bad influences.” He had another veteran he could’ve leaned on and looked up to, in Mr Gionta, but clearly he wasn’t down with that.

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, rickshaw said:

Jack gravitated to the “bad influences.” He had another veteran he could’ve leaned on and looked up to, in Mr Gionta, but clearly he wasn’t down with that.

Jack should never have been made captain. He was put in an informal position of influence as a captain when he wasn’t equipped and didn’t earn that role. 
 

It shouldn’t be forgotten that the so-called “bad influences” were BROUGHT IN by this obtuse staff. Ask yourself why Buffalo 🦬 was listed on most of the NTCs that players had? There was no secret that our organization was known for its ineptness and disfunction.

Do you think that a Zucker or Tuch would have put up with Jack’s entitled behavior? The problem was that there weren’t enough disciplining adults in the room. And it shouldn’t be a surprise that you have not heard of one iota of problems from Jack in Vegas regarding his attitude and behavior.

[Doohickie]

9 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Do you think that a Zucker or Tuch would have put up with Jack’s entitled behavior?

I know you're talking about current day Tuch but you know he and Jack are the same age, right?  (Tuch was drafted in 2014 due to birthday cutoff but only 5 months older than Jack).

[JohnC]

6 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I know you're talking about current day Tuch but you know he and Jack are the same age, right?  (Tuch was drafted in 2014 due to birthday cutoff but only 5 months older than Jack).

Even being the same age as Jack , it was apparent that he was more mature and never acted as if he was entitled. I’ll give that same positive characterization to a younger Dahlin. 

[Doohickie]

True, but totally different situation, being 18th pick versus 2nd, and not being looked at as the savior of the franchise.

In fact he came into Vegas as a trade chip kicked out of the Minnesota nest.

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

True, but totally different situation, being 18th pick versus 2nd, and not being looked at as the savior of the franchise.

In fact he came into Vegas as a trade chip kicked out of the Minnesota nest.

Whether Tuch was the second pick or fortieth pick in the draft, Tuch was a more mature person than Jack. Dahlin was the first pick in the draft. He never behaved as a spoiled and entitled diva as Jack did. As you well know, people develop/mature at different rates and under different circumstances. To give Jack credit, it appears that he has grown and matured in Vegas. 

[Crusader1969]

If the Sabres were on 90% of the NTM lists . ...maybe even closer to 100%
 

where are they now?   Have they don't enough to not be on 25%? 50%? 

[K-9]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

Jack should never have been made captain. He was put in an informal position of influence as a captain when he wasn’t equipped and didn’t earn that role. 
 

It shouldn’t be forgotten that the so-called “bad influences” were BROUGHT IN by this obtuse staff. Ask yourself why Buffalo 🦬 was listed on most of the NTCs that players had? There was no secret that our organization was known for its ineptness and disfunction.

Do you think that a Zucker or Tuch would have put up with Jack’s entitled behavior? The problem was that there weren’t enough disciplining adults in the room. And it shouldn’t be a surprise that you have not heard of one iota of problems from Jack in Vegas regarding his attitude and behavior.

The bad influences were brought in by GMTM and he is to blame for that. 

[BullBuchanan]

They should have made ROR the captain, instead of trading him, and maybe this all could have been avoided. If they traded him anyway, and kept Reinhart, could you imagine this team + ROR and maybe Reinhart? Wowzers. Of course, we wouldn't have TT, and maybe you don't get Benson/Helenius/Mrtka, but I think we would have broken the drought years sooner.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

The bad influences were brought in by GMTM and he is to blame for that. 

That's true. And that's exactly my point!  How the roster was put together affected/influenced the young pieces that were here. The constant churning of staff and players didn't help the development of the roster, but rather it set it back. I'm not particularly directing my criticism toward KA as I am the owner. His decision-making as it pertained to staffing extended the time frame where this team could become competitive. My central point is that it didn't need to be that way. It was due to self-inflected bad decisions. 

I'm ecstatic where this team is. However, if you ask me if I'm willing to go through another generation of futility to get to this point again, I would definitely say no. 

Edited May 5 by JohnC

[Eleven]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

If the Sabres were on 90% of the NTM lists . ...maybe even closer to 100%
 

where are they now?   Have they don't enough to not be on 25%? 50%? 

We still don't have palm trees.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

If the Sabres were on 90% of the NTM lists . ...maybe even closer to 100%
 

where are they now?   Have they don't enough to not be on 25%? 50%? 

I can't say exactly where we are now on that ignominious list. But I'm confident that now that the Sabres are a serious franchise with a regularly filled home arena that the negative perception has dramatically declined and that the list is a lot shorter. 

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

If the Sabres were on 90% of the NTM lists . ...maybe even closer to 100%
 

where are they now?   Have they don't enough to not be on 25%? 50%? 

I'm guessing they are probably still on over 50% of them.  I think its just more likely people will waive that clause to come here now...rather than before.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm guessing they are probably still on over 50% of them.  I think its just more likely people will waive that clause to come here now...rather than before.

Pretty sure the listing of teams on the no-trade lists gets set by/on July 1 for the upcoming season.  So, as of right now, the Sabres are likely on a majority of the NMC/NTC lists.  But come July 1, that percentage will likely drop precipitously.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I'm guessing they are probably still on over 50% of them.  I think its just more likely people will waive that clause to come here now...rather than before.

Even if Buffalo wins a cup will still be in at least a good number of NMCs because some players want to live in sexy, exciting places.

Edited May 5 by PromoTheRobot

[Eleven]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Even if Buffalo wins a cup will still be in at least a good number of NMCs because some players want to live in sexy, exciting places.

But my place IS in Buffalo.

[Punch]

4 hours ago, Eleven said:

But my place IS in Buffalo.

You must have palm trees.