LGR4GM Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) WGR retweeted this but this is not someone I know or normally follow, hence why I label this a rumor for now. Edited August 31, 2021 by LGR4GM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Holy mother ***** can we use the rumor thread for rumors 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hoss said: Holy mother ***** can we use the rumor thread for rumors This deserves it's own thread. I am sure SDS would agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 This is definitely threadworthy. This could also be folded into the trade rumour thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 The question is which surgery is it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: This is definitely threadworthy. This could also be folded into the trade rumour thread. Love Joey Bada$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I've been on vacation for a week in them mountains...the new thread with each Eichel news is 1000% better for people who can't/don't check on this place every day. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffMuff Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 He's getting a Addadicktomy. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I don’t understand, so the Sabres changed their mind about the surgery all of a sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I reckon that, if the change of agents warranted its own thread, so does the surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) If the surgery is really happening, and it's the one Eichel wants, he's been dealt. If the surgery is really happening and it's the one the team wants, it seems to be the one other teams are also OK with, so while it could mean Eichel is here for a while until he heals up, I could also see teams willing to make the move now (at a reduced cost, of course - but that there's a sweet spot Adams is willing to back down to in order to facilitate a trade wouldn't be surprising to me, if that's the case) Edited August 31, 2021 by Thorny 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, I-90 W said: I don’t understand, so the Sabres changed their mind about the surgery all of a sudden? 1 minute ago, Thorny said: If the surgery is really happening, and it's the one Eichel wants, he's been dealt. Thorny has it right IMO, that's what makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Really quiet if he has been dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 My guess is that at the big NHL/Players/Adams/Eichel meeting they came to an agreement. I will never know if this is true 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Really quiet if he has been dealt. I don't think he's been dealt yet, but I don't count myself among those who think he can't get traded while hurt - we've seen injured players get moved before. Of course there is great risk in doing so when it comes to a 10 million dollar player, but the risk goes both ways: passing up making the move FOR that player, who is now likely at a reduced cost (just look at how the proposals have shifted around here (not yours, admittedly)) could prove be be huge opportunity lost. Particularly when Jack's NMC gets ever closer to kicking in. To me there's a big difference between trading for a perceived out-to-lunch Jack Eichel looking for an "experimental" surgery ("damn, how hurt is he? will he ever be ok after this "risky" procedure?") and a player who's already visibly skating right now on the verge of a more common surgery where the NHL results speak for themselves. Edited August 31, 2021 by Thorny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 If it is the Eichel surgery it is almost certain a deal is in place and will be kept under wraps. Maybe the new agent talked Eichel down from it if he wants to get out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Actually wait, didn't Eichel/they say that his chosen surgery path had a much quicker recovery time? December at the earliest seems much more likely to fit under the more traditional surgery route timeline https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichels-neck-surgery-recovery 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos1963 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thorny said: If the surgery is really happening, and it's the one Eichel wants, he's been dealt. If the surgery is really happening and it's the one the team wants, it seems to be the one other teams are also OK with, so while it could mean Eichel is here for a while until he heals up, I could also see teams willing to make the move now (at a reduced cost, of course - but that there's a sweet spot Adams is willing to back down to in order to facilitate a trade wouldn't be surprising to me, if that's the case) The disc replacement surgery is supposed to have him on the ice in 2-3 months, fusion surgery much longer. If the story is accurate, it appears to be disc replacement. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Thorny said: If the surgery is really happening, and it's the one Eichel wants, he's been dealt. If the surgery is really happening and it's the one the team wants, it seems to be the one other teams are also OK with, so while it could mean Eichel is here for a while until he heals up, I could also see teams willing to make the move now (at a reduced cost, of course - but that there's a sweet spot Adams is willing to back down to in order to facilitate a trade wouldn't be surprising to me, if that's the case) So is the premise that a handshake agreement has been made, but will not happen til after the surgery? Would that mean, for example, Sabres get X, Y, Z pieces if he is back on the ice in December, less if later, none if it goes bad? That would be a massive shift from the Sabres position all along as they would still be taking on the risk of the worse case scenario. Edit, sorry I see now you meant the other surgery. Edited August 31, 2021 by I-90 W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, klos1963 said: The disc replacement surgery is supposed to have him on the ice in 2-3 months, fusion surgery much longer. If the story is accurate, it appears to be disc replacement. I feel like the fusion "much longer" fits the december-at-the-earliest timeline better 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: I feel like the fusion "much longer" fits the december-at-the-earliest timeline better Yup. Although maybe the issue is actually getting him the surgery. Maybe they can't schedule it sooner than October or something. (I don't know how this works) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, I-90 W said: So is the premise that a handshake agreement has been made, but will not happen til after the surgery? Would that mean, for example, Sabres get X, Y, Z pieces if he is back on the ice in December, less if later, none if it goes bad? That would be a massive shift from the Sabres position all along as they would still be taking on the risk of the worse case scenario. I don't really see Adams making a conditional trade. At least not the most significant pieces of the deal. Trading Jack and tying the return to his health isn't removing our reliance on him at all, in a sense. And KA wants to be free of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: I don't really see Adams making a conditional trade. At least not the most significant pieces of the deal. Trading Jack and tying the return to his health isn't removing our reliance on him at all, in a sense. And KA wants to be free of him But what’s confusing me is how can he be already traded before the surgery without it being public, what would the reason be if it wasn’t conditional? Unless I’m missing something which is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, I-90 W said: But what’s confusing me is how can he be already traded before the surgery without it being public, what would the reason be if it wasn’t conditional? Unless I’m missing something which is possible. goddammit Jim i'm a sabrespace message board poster not a doctor! They could be running a tight ship: re leaks. As I said I don't think he's been dealt yet, though. I'm merely of the position that Eichel electing for the traditional surgery makes a deal at any time, including soon, possible. Every trade has risk. I won't rule out that a team trades for an injured Jack if the prognosis of his chosen surgery path looks solid 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos1963 Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Thorny said: I feel like the fusion "much longer" fits the december-at-the-earliest timeline better That's just 3 months away ,if he has the surgery immediately, fusion is an average of about 6 months for hockey players. I'm thinking they found a trade partner willing to give up the pieces and agreed to Jack's preference on treatment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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