bob_sauve28 Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 And do you want him back? Will he be the captain? And if he is here, does your opinion of this being a tank year change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) He'll report but immediately go on LTIR. It's a tank year, regardless. Edited August 10, 2021 by pi2000 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 He's not getting traded until he is healthy and playing. He knows this, the Sabres know this and so does every team in the NHL. The only question is how do we get him healthy and back on the ice. Jack says experimental procedure and the Sabres and their insurance policy say traditional fusion surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 I have no idea but if DG let’s him keep the C (if he does come back and is playing) then he is either not the coach I think he is, or the Pegula’s really do run the show. Don’t want to hear about stripping it impacting his trade value either, the whole league knows he’s not a leader. He’s a highly skilled PPG 1C. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Pretty sure that Jack is physically unable to perform. Also pretty sure that Kevyn Adams has moved on from Jack and would rather he not be a distraction. Jack will do whatever's required of him by his contract (not that it matters, but people probably don't remember he said as much on locker room cleanout day) but he will almost certainly be put on IR and asked to stay away. *** Separately, we are fast approaching the point where Adams will have to change tactics and wait until Jack is healthy to make the trade. He has a player who needs a medical procedure in order to play. Both sides have agreed to put that off until a trade can be made, but since he hasn't made the trade he will have to make a decision. Jack won't let him put it off indefinitely. He either agrees to Jack's chosen surgery, or it goes to arbitration. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Interesting opinions on this topic. I'm sure we're going to get on the forum what I have in real life, and by that I mean contradicting opinions all over the place. I've heard from just as many people that he will show up and play because he has to prove he can play with the Sabre before he's traded... And the exact opposite opinion I've heard, where they will do whatever they can to keep him away from this team and he'll never play for the Sabres again. Both points have logic to back them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielor Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted August 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, dudacek said: Pretty sure that Jack is physically unable to perform. Also pretty sure that Kevyn Adams has moved on from Jack and would rather he not be a distraction. Jack will do whatever's required of him by his contract (not that it matters, but people probably don't remember he said as much on locker room cleanout day) but he will almost certainly be put on IR and asked to stay away. *** Separately, we are fast approaching the point where Adams will have to change tactics and wait until Jack is healthy to make the trade. He has a player who needs a medical procedure in order to play. Both sides have agreed to put that off until a trade can be made, but since he hasn't made the trade he will have to make a decision. Jack won't let him put it off indefinitely. He either agrees to Jack's chosen surgery, or it goes to arbitration. Yes, something has to give. I really think holding him, gettin* him in the lineup and showcasing him adds to his value. But there is risk there too. He can decline a trade next year, right? I wouldn’t be surprised if he just plays the next five years here. This situation is so messed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Not before surgery rehab, but immediately afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 John will not show up for camp per se, but will have to report to the team on veteran reporting day. He will, I assume, not be able to play, so he will go on injury reserve and will not be at camp, or team meetings ... I think we are past the time for a trade before surgery, or whatever treatment is going to happen, so something will have to give very soon, or John will lose the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: John will not show up for camp per se, but will have to report to the team on veteran reporting day. He will, I assume, not be able to play, so he will go on injury reserve and will not be at camp, or team meetings ... I think we are past the time for a trade before surgery, or whatever treatment is going to happen, so something will have to give very soon, or John will lose the season. He goes by Jack, not John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing Room Smoking Cigs Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Yes and he's bringing Sigmund too 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, nucci said: He goes by Jack, not John Yeah. So, I am in a formal relationship with the dude, so I am using his given name. Some others around here are, or were, too. 1 minute ago, Standing Room Smoking Cigs said: Yes and he's bringing Sigmund too Welcome!! Sent you a beer. What in blazes is that thing with John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Good thread @bob_sauve28, but make it a poll, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: Yeah. So, I am in a formal relationship with the dude, so I am using his given name. Some others around here are, or were, too. Welcome!! Sent you a beer. What in blazes is that thing with John? https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0069632/ this … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Standing Room Smoking Cigs said: Yes and he's bringing Sigmund too Welcome to the board. I never realized the resemblance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: He's not getting traded until he is healthy and playing. He knows this, the Sabres know this and so does every team in the NHL. The only question is how do we get him healthy and back on the ice. Jack says experimental procedure and the Sabres and their insurance policy say traditional fusion surgery. At this point they don't care. Let the new team deal with your surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: At this point they don't care. Let the new team deal with your surgery. They care if they want more then a bucket of pucks and a grilled cheese sandwich for him. Think about how badly we get taken on the ROR trade when Terry forced Jbot to trade him so we didn't have to pay the bonus. We are in a nearly identical situation. Top player on a long-term deal wants out. Team wants him gone so that they aren't responsible for something (surgery or bonus). The ROR deal proved that you can't get top $ in this situation. The only way to maximize the return is to work out the insurance issue, let him have the surgery he wants, get him healthy and back on the ice for the Sabres. The way you work out the insurance issue is get the contract insurance company to approve the "experimental" surgery. Hard obviously, but not impossible. It's not like the surgery is brand new. Likely take some additional premium which Jack or his agent should pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) Recall that the Sabres doctors prescribed rest and rehab up to June, then reevaluate. What if rest and rehab up to October/ November or any other month actually works and he can play? Is this even possible? I don’t know much about the medical condition. Edited August 10, 2021 by Pimlach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: Recall that the Sabres doctors prescribed rest and rehab to up June, then reevaluate. What if rest and rehab up October/ November or any other month actually works and he can play? Is this even possible? I don’t know much about the medical condition. I guarantee he could play right now. He's playing this card to try and get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: I guarantee he could play right now. He's playing this card to try and get out. Maybe your opinion, but certainly no guarantee. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Drag0nDan said: I guarantee he could play right now. He's playing this card to try and get out. If true then he is only hurting himself. He is not “out” yet because of the immense concern he generated by his insistence for the unapproved surgery. Edited August 11, 2021 by Pimlach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: I guarantee he could play right now. He's playing this card to try and get out. Being healthy would greatly help him get traded. This injury is making it really difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: I guarantee he could play right now. He's playing this card to try and get out. He's just letting it drag on, Dan? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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