dudacek Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 The way I see it, the Sabres have five future NHLers: Peterka, Quinn, Samuelsson, Johnson and Lukkonnen. The rest are fringe or longshots. I think all of those guys are going to be useful, mid-roster players, with Quinn and Lukkonnen having outside shots of being something more. The fact that they don't have a stud in the mix might put that group a bit below average. The fact that Rasmus Dahlin and Dylan Cozens are already in the NHL makes up for that considerably. I don't think the recent pipeline is the wasteland @LGR4GM makes it out to be, or the bed of roses @GASabresIUFAN seems to be lying in. It's a pretty typical NHL group. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Curt said: That’s cool, but my question is about the actual performance of his model. How accurately does it actually predict who will become NHL contributors and stars? Not sure how to answer this. If you look at the player profiles from past drafts it looks good. 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: The way I see it, the Sabres have five future NHLers: Peterka, Quinn, Samuelsson, Johnson and Lukkonnen. The rest are fringe or longshots. I think all of those guys are going to be useful, mid-roster players, with Quinn and Lukkonnen having outside shots of being something more. The fact that they don't have a stud in the mix might put that group a bit below average. The fact that Rasmus Dahlin and Dylan Cozens are already in the NHL makes up for that considerably. I don't think the recent pipeline is the wasteland @LGR4GM makes it out to be, or the bed of roses @GASabresIUFAN seems to be lying in. It's a pretty typical NHL group. Not a wasteland but below average and the forward ranks are sad (it's basically just Quinn and Peterka) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, dudacek said: The way I see it, the Sabres have five future NHLers: Peterka, Quinn, Samuelsson, Johnson and Lukkonnen. The rest are fringe or longshots. I think all of those guys are going to be useful, mid-roster players, with Quinn and Lukkonnen having outside shots of being something more. The fact that they don't have a stud in the mix might put that group a bit below average. The fact that Rasmus Dahlin and Dylan Cozens are already in the NHL makes up for that considerably. I don't think the recent pipeline is the wasteland @LGR4GM makes it out to be, or the bed of roses @GASabresIUFAN seems to be lying in. It's a pretty typical NHL group. Forgot huglen, rousek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Didn't we put all our hopes on a German already? That didn't go too well. Who was that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Not sure how to answer this. If you look at the player profiles from past drafts it looks good. Not a wasteland but below average and the forward ranks are sad (it's basically just Quinn and Peterka) It is below average, but IF the Sabres are to keep Eichel & Reinhart, they already have: Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens, Mittelstadt, Thompson, Asplund, & Bjork that are 25 or younger with the big club plus Olofsson is just outside that window. That's 8 of your 12 F slots that can literally be held down for the next 6 seasons. Add Quinn & Peterka and they are only relying on Skinner, Girgensons, & guys not in the system for 5 slots (2 in the top 12 & 3 to cover for injuries). 6 if they end up losing Bjork or Asplund in 2 months. When youthful guys that have already graduated to the big club are included, the Sabres youth looks at least fringe playoff caliber for the foreseeable future provided Adams fixes the goaltending & gets the coach right AND doesn't decimate the top end. (Some mighty big ifs, but the youthful talent pool isn't awful. (And, ALWAYS drafting top 8, that isn't where we'd like it to be, but it isn't awful, at a minimum. And, before you see this post as something it isn't, am not saying you are saying it is awful.)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, Buffalonill said: Who was that ? Must be referring to Ehrhoff. Rieder doesn't seem to fit the billing even though it's a stretch for the D-man as well. Could it be Hecht? if not any of them, maybe David Hasselhof was in the running for coach? 😉 Save us Knightrider, you're our only hope. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Forgot huglen, rousek No, I didn't. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, dudacek said: No, I didn't. I didn't see them on your list ? 2 minutes ago, Taro T said: Must be referring to Ehrhoff. Rieder doesn't seem to fit the billing even though it's a stretch for the D-man as well. Could it be Hecht? if not any of them, maybe David Hasselhof was in the running for coach? 😉 Save us Knightrider, you're our only hope. 😉 We Could have drafted a Hall of Famer but We all know that story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalonill said: I didn't see them on your list ? 1 hour ago, dudacek said: The way I see it, the Sabres have five future NHLers: Peterka, Quinn, Samuelsson, Johnson and Lukkonnen. The rest are fringe or longshots. I think all of those guys are going to be useful, mid-roster players, with Quinn and Lukkonnen having outside shots of being something more. The fact that they don't have a stud in the mix might put that group a bit below average. The fact that Rasmus Dahlin and Dylan Cozens are already in the NHL makes up for that considerably. I don't think the recent pipeline is the wasteland @LGR4GM makes it out to be, or the bed of roses @GASabresIUFAN seems to be lying in. It's a pretty typical NHL group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Who was that ? 4 minutes ago, Taro T said: Must be referring to Ehrhoff. Rieder doesn't seem to fit the billing even though it's a stretch for the D-man as well. Could it be Hecht? if not any of them, maybe David Hasselhof was in the running for coach? 😉 Save us Knightrider, you're our only hope. 😉 I immediately thought it was Krueger. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, dudacek said: rousek is a lock like JJ huglen i have hope for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Brawndo said: I immediately thought it was Krueger. 😬 Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Not sure how to answer this. If you look at the player profiles from past drafts it looks good. I’m not saying his model is trash, and it’s good conversation either way, but I’m not valuing above any other evaluation unless I have some evidence that it is actually effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, Brawndo said: I immediately thought it was Krueger. 😬 And, IMHO, he's a Canadian. (Though he did play in Germany.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: rousek is a lock like JJ huglen i have hope for. Rousek is a 22yr old who isn't even a ppg player in the Czech league. JJ is a 19 year old who will probably be a ppg player next year. Sure Rousek could be an impact player but it is unlikely. 57 minutes ago, Taro T said: It is below average, but IF the Sabres are to keep Eichel & Reinhart, they already have: Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens, Mittelstadt, Thompson, Asplund, & Bjork that are 25 or younger with the big club plus Olofsson is just outside that window. That's 8 of your 12 F slots that can literally be held down for the next 6 seasons. Add Quinn & Peterka and they are only relying on Skinner, Girgensons, & guys not in the system for 5 slots (2 in the top 12 & 3 to cover for injuries). 6 if they end up losing Bjork or Asplund in 2 months. When youthful guys that have already graduated to the big club are included, the Sabres youth looks at least fringe playoff caliber for the foreseeable future provided Adams fixes the goaltending & gets the coach right AND doesn't decimate the top end. (Some mighty big ifs, but the youthful talent pool isn't awful. (And, ALWAYS drafting top 8, that isn't where we'd like it to be, but it isn't awful, at a minimum. And, before you see this post as something it isn't, am not saying you are saying it is awful.)) A lot of hope going on. Drafting is a numbers game and we need more in the system especially at forward. I think projecting that out for 6 years is exceedingly risky and 3 years is a better way to view things. This draft is vitally important as we have 5 picks in the top 3 rounds currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Wouldn't these guys are be considered prospects in that they haven't played a full year? Cozens, Johnson, Quinn, Peterka, Samuelson, Routs, Bryson, Borgen, Laaks, UPL, Portillo Then you have Mitts, Thompson, Aspland, and Dahlin that are on the upward part of their trajectory curves but are no longer prospects. Someone explain to me how the Leafs are 4th on LGR'S highly touted list???? Filip Hallander is their 3rd ranked prospect... And he was a 20yo 0.5ppg C in the SHL. I'm not saying we're tops, but we're not 30th, nor are the Leafs 4th. The list is trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Rousek is a 22yr old who isn't even a ppg player in the Czech league. JJ is a 19 year old who will probably be a ppg player next year. Sure Rousek could be an impact player but it is unlikely. A lot of hope going on. Drafting is a numbers game and we need more in the system especially at forward. I think projecting that out for 6 years is exceedingly risky and 3 years is a better way to view things. This draft is vitally important as we have 5 picks in the top 3 rounds currently. Rousek is going to go the VO way and be a very nice player for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Rousek is a 22yr old who isn't even a ppg player in the Czech league. JJ is a 19 year old who will probably be a ppg player next year. Sure Rousek could be an impact player but it is unlikely. A lot of hope going on. Drafting is a numbers game and we need more in the system especially at forward. I think projecting that out for 6 years is exceedingly risky and 3 years is a better way to view things. This draft is vitally important as we have 5 picks in the top 3 rounds currently. To the bolded, absolutely. Which is another part of why this is likely to be a long off-season. Absolutely the wrong year to be heading into the draft with a skeleton crew of scouts. Though the philosophical question of whether it is better to have a handful of good scouts (making the assumption that Adams kept the good ones) and few/ no bad ones or to have a large scouting staff wherein the bad ones outnumber the good ones (making the further presumption that Adams excised the bad ones; realizing that at this time, neither assumption has been proven to be true or false) could very well be tested this July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said: Wouldn't these guys are be considered prospects in that they haven't played a full year? Cozens, Johnson, Quinn, Peterka, Samuelson, Routs, Bryson, Borgen, Laaks, UPL, Portillo Then you have Mitts, Thompson, Aspland, and Dahlin that are on the upward part of their trajectory curves but are no longer prospects. Someone explain to me how the Leafs are 4th on LGR'S highly touted list???? Filip Hallander is their 3rd ranked prospect... And he was a 20yo 0.5ppg C in the SHL. I'm not saying we're tops, but we're not 30th, nor are the Leafs 4th. The list is trash. You are entitled to your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: You are entitled to your opinion. You have to admit though, I do a pretty good job of discrediting the list! 😁 Now can we get back to making this about Peterka? Edited June 8, 2021 by JoeSchmoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalonill said: Who was that ? Ralph. "Canadian born German professional ice hockey coach" was how it was phrased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said: You have to admit though, I do a pretty good job of discrediting the list! 😁 Now can we get back to making this about Peterka? You didn't. At least not to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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