If you were GMKA, what is the most you would pay Reinhart to extend?

[Weave]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

This.

I'm not one who thinks that Sam is slow, but his game has little to do with the speed of his feet and he takes great care of himself.

Barring a debilitating injury he will be fine at 32.

At 32 I'm not concerned, but even though his game is a heady game it is the truly great skaters that play well after they've hit 30ish.  Sam doesn't fit that description (I agree he's not slow, he's just not a liquid skater) I imagine at 32 Sam will be a 3rd liner or powerplay specialist.

By contrast, Dahlin's skating skills, if he doesn't lose them to injury, could afford him a career like Teppo's or James Patrick's.

[PerreaultForever]

You said the most, so to that I say $6 and if he wants a NMC it's $5. Anything over $6 is too much and I'd trade him. 

[jsb]

7 years at $6.50M 

At some point if you’re going to keep him, you have to reward him. 

[SwampD]

I said 7 for 7 last time, so I'd go 5 x $6.5M now. Could be talked into $7M.

Edited April 22, 2021 by SwampD

[klos1963]

He won't want to sign, he'll ask for the moon knowing he won't get it. He'll get traded over the summer.

[Brawndo]

Here is a question, is He getting paid as a Winger or a Center?  If it’s the latter that could be cost prohibitive.
 

6x6.75-7 Million would be My Desire. 

[Taro T]

3 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Here is a question, is He getting paid as a Winger or a Center?  If it’s the latter that could be cost prohibitive.
 

6x6.75-7 Million would be My Desire. 

Good question.  No data available towards the answer, but was wondering if Granato suspects that when all is said & done he won't get the HC job.  If so, was his comment about Reinhart being a C a parting shot of sorts at the Sabres salary structure, much as Housley giving Skinner time with Eichel at the end of the year to get to his 40 when everybody, with the possible exception of Phil's mom, knew he wouldn't be back and knew that would add at least $1MM to his price tag.  (Turns out it actually added $3MM/ to the price, but that move was one that bought Housley good will from the players but cost his employer greatly.)

[nfreeman]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

Good question.  No data available towards the answer, but was wondering if Granato suspects that when all is said & done he won't get the HC job.  If so, was his comment about Reinhart being a C a parting shot of sorts at the Sabres salary structure, much as Housley giving Skinner time with Eichel at the end of the year to get to his 40 when everybody, with the possible exception of Phil's mom, knew he wouldn't be back and knew that would add at least $1MM to his price tag.  (Turns out it actually added $3MM/ to the price, but that move was one that bought Housley good will from the players but cost his employer greatly.)

But Granato wants to keep working in the NHL -- it would seem self-destructive to pull a move like that.

[Buffalonill]

We have screwed up every opportunity to sign him to a cheap contract. 

 

I believe its over he signs a 1 year deal and goes home or we trade him 

[Taro T]

6 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

But Granato wants to keep working in the NHL -- it would seem self-destructive to pull a move like that.

He'll still be in the NHL, though not necessarily as a head coach.

And not saying that was his intention.  Was wondering if it was or if the quote was strictly referring to the present situation, or possibly even something else.  

When he was coaching the Wolves were they the Canes farm club back then?  If so, maybe there's a thing between him and Karamanos & he doesn't expect to keep the job.  (Or, maybe if so, he gets along great with the guy, & expects to be back and the comment about Reinhart wasn't thinking about the business side of the game at all, or maybe it was out of context.)

[Ray Shepard]

Anyone voting 7 mil per is crazy. He'll never perform in big games. He's borderline Derrick plante soft out there. 5.5 max or ship him out for some goaltending help

[Thorny]

18 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

We have screwed up every opportunity to sign him to a cheap contract. 

 

I believe its over he signs a 1 year deal and goes home or we trade him 

Honestly, Sam has so much leverage being only 1 year from UFA, I think it's about 50/50 you are right and we end up trading him this summer because he draws a hard line in his contract negotiations

I'd bet if we do move him it's before he re-ups for 1 year like you suggested as that would stop the team receiving him from negotiating a new deal until January 1 2022

[Der Jaeger]

7 x $7M

[LGR4GM]

18 hours ago, Buffalonill said:

We have screwed up every opportunity to sign him to a cheap contract. 

 

I believe its over he signs a 1 year deal and goes home or we trade him 

Signs a 1 year deal... you could trade him to Seattle in part of a package to get them to take a contract in the expansion draft. 

[Buffalonill]

2 hours ago, Thorny said:

Honestly, Sam has so much leverage being only 1 year from UFA, I think it's about 50/50 you are right and we end up trading him this summer because he draws a hard line in his contract negotiations

I'd bet if we do move him it's before he re-ups for 1 year like you suggested as that would stop the team receiving him from negotiating a new deal until January 1 2022

 I think he goes to Calgary for tkachuk. 

Makes the trade easier for jack when you bring his best friend over 

 

[Thorny]

10 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

 I think he goes to Calgary for tkachuk. 

Makes the trade easier for jack when you bring his best friend over 

 

Maybe it's just the mode I'm in at 11:26 AM on April 23 but I think Jack is getting traded.

How they are handling Jack's injury within the media is a ridiculously ham-handed tell, in my estimation

They don't care what Jack does, they just want to get a release out, as soon as possible (and already did) with a bottom line that reads, 

"WILL BE OK FOR NEXT YEAR"

He's gone

[Thorny]

At least, that's what I think they want

[Weave]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

At least, that's what I think they want

I share your suspicions.  It seems evident to me that the Sabres prefer the least invasive course of action to minimize risk to his value, whereas Jack prefers the course of action most likely to result in long term results.

[thewookie1]

If we trade Eichel and Reinhart we'll be garbage for at least another 3 years. No thank you.

[Weave]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

If we trade Eichel and Reinhart we'll be garbage for at least another 3 years. No thank you.

The return  matters. There are plenty of trades that could happen that preserves C depth and fills holes that could improve the team overall.

If the return is picks and prospects I agree, we suck for another good stretch.

[Thorny]

4 minutes ago, Weave said:

The return  matters. There are plenty of trades that could happen that preserves C depth and fills holes that could improve the team overall.

If the return is picks and prospects I agree, we suck for another good stretch.

Unless "depth" is measured purely by quantity, I don't think it's possible to improve C depth by trading our far and away best C

Our strongest C outlook next year is: Eichel/Cozens/Mittelstadt/Reinhart

Cozens/Mittelstadt/Reinhart/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/

is weaker centre depth than that. at least for me overall quality is a big factor of the strength of your "depth"

Edited April 23, 2021 by Thorny

[pi2000]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Unless "depth" is measured purely by quantity, I don't think it's possible to improve C depth by trading our far and away best C

Our strongest C outlook next year is: Eichel/Cozens/Mittelstadt/Reinhart

Cozens/Mittelstadt/Reinhart/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/2-3C/

is weaker centre depth than that

severe drop off after Mittelstadt

[dudacek]

4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

If we trade Eichel and Reinhart we'll be garbage for at least another 3 years. No thank you.

Eichel and Reinhart for Tkachuk, Lindholm and a good 3rd piece (for example) certainly does not do that.

And we've been garbage for the past three years, so...

(*Standard disclaimer: this point is made for discussion purposes only and should not be construed as the poster advocating for the trading of either Jack Eichel or Sam Reinhart. Results may vary. Call your physician if symptoms persist beyond the first round of the playoffs.)

[Weave]

Just now, Thorny said:

Unless "depth" is measured purely by quantity, I don't think it's possible to improve C depth by trading our far and away best C

Our strongest C outlook next year is: Eichel/Cozens/Mittelstadt/Reinhart

Yes, that is the strongest center outlook.  Moving Jack is not likely to maintain the strength of that spine, which is why I said depth and not strength.  IMO the ideal return includes a middle of the road bonafide 1C and an upgrade at another roster spot or two, like say goalie or RW. In that scenario we maintain center depth, still have an actual 1C, AND upgraded an area of need.

Otherwise moving him will not move the team forward.

[pi2000]

8 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

If we trade Eichel and Reinhart we'll be garbage for at least another 3 years. No thank you.

or it could set them up for a playoff run if they're able to acquire a #1 goalie, top 6 C, top 3 W, high level prospect, etc..  WHO PLAY THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY