Ogelthorpe Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) Would be lucky to get Tkachuk, prospect, and 1st for Jack. That goes for both Calgary and Ottawa. Jack is flawed and the league knows. Edited May 11, 2021 by Ogelthorpe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Can't see Calgary trading Tkachuk with Sutter having influence there. They might be interested in Reinhart though. Especially after his end of season run. Best thing he could have done for us (unlike Jack torching things). Sell high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 When you look around the league New York and LA are the most logical teams if you’re looking for picks/prospects but if it’s a “hockey trade” Calgary far and away makes the most sense. Jack and Risto for Tkachuk, Monahan and Rasmus Andersson (a RHD!? Unheard of!). That’s my final answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Ogelthorpe said: Would be lucky to get Tkachuk, prospect, and 1st for Jack. That goes for both Calgary and Ottawa. Jack is flawed and the league knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Calgary is about to lose Giordano, is desperate to shake up it's core and should be interested in the concept of Risto. Tkachuk is a dick with a poison pill contract and is a body they would move — he carries as many ?s as Jack. They'd dump Monahan in a second, I'm not sure I want him. not sure they'd part with Lindholm. Pending UFA Gaudreau is available. Can we sign him? Pelletier is exactly the type of prospect Adams seems to covet. Between the will and the pieces, I can see something happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Can't see Calgary trading Tkachuk with Sutter having influence there. They might be interested in Reinhart though. Especially after his end of season run. Best thing he could have done for us (unlike Jack torching things). Sell high. You guys have to stop Tkachuk stuff hes not even worth close to jack eichel and has been on a decline and a problem child in calgary Edited May 11, 2021 by Buffalonill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Calgary is about to lose Giordano, is desperate to shake up it's core and should be interested in the concept of Risto. Tkachuk is a dick with a poison pill contract and is a body they would move — he carries as many ?s as Jack. They'd dump Monahan in a second, I'm not sure I want him. not sure they'd part with Lindholm. Pending UFA Gaudreau is available. Can we sign him? Pelletier is exactly the type of prospect Adams seems to covet. Between the will and the pieces, I can see something happening. Anything with Tkachuk involved would require a negotiated extension. I’m not trading Eichel for 2 years of Monahan and 1 year of Tkachuk. I’d offer Eichel, Reinhart(extended), and Ristolainen for Tkachuk(extended), Lindholm, Anderson and some type of protected 1st in 2022. Both sides get new blood and Calgary gets closer in their arms race with Edmonton. We get a good contract 2C, a grimy power forward with offensive upside and a young dman whom took a step back this year. (While maintaining our 3 Rasmi rule) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: You guys have to stop Tkachuk stuff hes not even worth close to jack eichel and has been on a decline and a problem child in calgary You keep saying this and have yet to provide context or evidence. Also, he’s 23. He’s not on the decline. He also doesn’t need to be Eichel - that’s why you get other pieces in the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Hoss said: You keep saying this and have yet to provide context or evidence. Also, he’s 23. He’s not on the decline. He also doesn’t need to be Eichel - that’s why you get other pieces in the deal. 34g 23 g 11g Decline Maturity issues . - Organizing ( the puck steal ) with his teammates to steal a puck And shoots it down the ice when Caught - 9 million dollar qualifying offer Calgary Flames Players Frustrated with Matthew Tkachuk’s Antics https://xn--z6ut02b7b412h.xyz/calgary-flames-players-frustrated-with-matthew-tkachuks-antics/ Edited May 11, 2021 by Buffalonill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) Dubois got Laine and Roslovic, do you really think Jack won't get a bunch more than that?? And everyone knew Columbus was getting rid of him also. DuBois isn't in Jack's class. Now Risto and or Reinhart to Calgary might make sense but you don't give Jack away without pulling up a U-Haul truck for the return. Best bet is to get him out of the conference so you'd only have to deal with him twice a year. First thing though is you have to make the effort to win him back and if that's an impossible task you don't move him until someone fills that U-Haul truck to your liking and if you're trading him it'll be better to get a young players return as opposed to trying to win with a vet who will not want to stick around until the team is ready to win Edited May 11, 2021 by jsb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, jsb said: Dubois got Laine and Roslovic, do you really think Jack won't get a bunch more than that?? And everyone knew Columbus was getting rid of him also. DuBois isn't in Jack's class. Now Risto and or Reinhart to Calgary might make sense but you don't give Jack away without pulling up a U-Haul truck for the return. Best bet is to get him out of the conference so you'd only have to deal with him twice a year. First thing though is you have to make the effort to win him back and if that's an impossible task you don't move him until someone fills that U-Haul truck to your liking and if you're trading him it'll be better to get a young players return as opposed to trying to win with a vet who will not want to stick around until the team is ready to win I agree with this post 100%. Monahan, Kachook, Anderson and a 1st would be enough for Eichel but you are getting taken to the cleaners if you include Rhino. Monahan is an ok 2C that has scored 76 points in the last 120 games over the last two seasons and almost ALWAYS plays with Johnny regular season Hockey. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Rhino. If the flames are getting Rhino and Eichel the deal would have to be centered around Lindell and Zary with a ton of adds. Add 2 first round picks, Anderson or Hanifin and a few other adds. I know people like Kachook but I wouldn't want him on my team...or his brother for that matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thorny said: This is what I’ve been saying. Team’s don’t trade their best prospects I feel like teams don’t trade their best players either though. The NHL is just very conservative. To everyone, when is the last time that a team traded their best NHL player, or their best prospect? I’m struggling. ROR? PK Subban/Weber? Oh, Dubois too. Edited May 11, 2021 by Curt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Curt said: I feel like teams don’t trade their best players either though. The NHL is just very conservative. To everyone, when is the last time that a team traded their best NHL player, or their best prospect? I’m struggling. ROR? PK Subban/Weber? Was PLD the CBJ's best player...Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: 34g 23 g 11g Decline Maturity issues . - Organizing ( the puck steal ) with his teammates to steal a puck And shoots it down the ice when Caught - 9 million dollar qualifying offer Calgary Flames Players Frustrated with Matthew Tkachuk’s Antics https://xn--z6ut02b7b412h.xyz/calgary-flames-players-frustrated-with-matthew-tkachuks-antics/ Thank you for this. I’m not really concerned by the videos but it’s something that good coaching and culture can work on. His point totals have taken a step back but so has everyone in Calgary. The 30-goal season was when Calgary had an offensive explosion and everyone thought they had arrived. I still have a lot of interest in him as a piece to a larger deal. I also have a lot of interest in Andersson because he’s a young RHD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ducky said: Was PLD the CBJ's best player...Jones? I added him. Not Jones. Maybe Werenski but probably Dubois. It’s close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalonill said: 34g 23 g 11g Decline Maturity issues . - Organizing ( the puck steal ) with his teammates to steal a puck And shoots it down the ice when Caught - 9 million dollar qualifying offer Calgary Flames Players Frustrated with Matthew Tkachuk’s Antics https://xn--z6ut02b7b412h.xyz/calgary-flames-players-frustrated-with-matthew-tkachuks-antics/ Aren't qualifying offers 120% of the AAV? 7 x 1.2 = 8.4m Still too much but he'll get it. they don't have much else there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ducky said: Aren't qualifying offers 120% of the AAV? 7 x 1.2 = 8.4m Still too much but he'll get it. they don't have much else there. The qualifying offer thing isn’t an issue. He’d get that much on a long-term contract anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Hoss said: The qualifying offer thing isn’t an issue. He’d get that much on a long-term contract anyways. Yup, from the Flames he certainly will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Hoss said: When you look around the league New York and LA are the most logical teams if you’re looking for picks/prospects but if it’s a “hockey trade” Calgary far and away makes the most sense. Jack and Risto for Tkachuk, Monahan and Rasmus Andersson (a RHD!? Unheard of!). That’s my final answer. Can we add Jary and their 1sr rounder ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Buffalonill said: You guys have to stop Tkachuk stuff hes not even worth close to jack eichel and has been on a decline and a problem child in calgary It's not about being close to Eichel. In talent few are. It's about what he brings to the team. We need to spice things up and bring in some fire and passion to mix with the skill we may (or may not) already have. I would trade Reinhart for Tkachuk one for one in a heartbeat. Doubt Calgary would though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: It's not about being close to Eichel. In talent few are. It's about what he brings to the team. We need to spice things up and bring in some fire and passion to mix with the skill we may (or may not) already have. I would trade Reinhart for Tkachuk one for one in a heartbeat. Doubt Calgary would though. Reinhart for Tkachuk? Oh goodness yes. However, a note on Tkachuk as a trade target. It really seems like he is going the same route as Reinhart contract wise. Getting to UFA ASAP. Tkachuk has one more year on his current contract. $7M AAV, $9M salary. Then after that he just needs to do the one year arbitration thing to get to UFA. These ex-player’s kids seem to be getting excellent financial advice and going this route. They don’t have to worry about getting long term financial security early on, and they are gaming the system best they can. Max Domi has done pretty much the same thing. Edited May 12, 2021 by Curt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said: Can we add Jary and their 1sr rounder ? No, probably not. It’d be nice to get the moon but we also have to be realistic on approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hoss said: No, probably not. It’d be nice to get the moon but we also have to be realistic on approach. I think there would be a better trade out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: I think there would be a better trade out there Maybe. That deal is a ton of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, Curt said: Reinhart for Tkachuk? Oh goodness yes. However, a note on Tkachuk as a trade target. It really seems like he is going the same route as Reinhart contract wise. Getting to UFA ASAP. Tkachuk has one more year on his current contract. $7M AAV, $9M salary. Then after that he just needs to do the one year arbitration thing to get to UFA. These ex-player’s kids seem to be getting excellent financial advice and going this route. They don’t have to worry about getting long term financial security early on, and they are gaming the system best they can. Max Domi has done pretty much the same thing. Tkachuk’s Agent is Craig Oster, who’s Sister is Chantel Oster who happens to have Two Sons named Matthew and Brady with Former NHLer Keith Tkachuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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