Trettioåtta Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Hoss said: Have you seen John Gibson’s contract? It’s toenails. I think the Sabres may need to take on a contract like Gibson's to justify the unknown regarding Eichel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Trettioåtta said: I think the Sabres may need to take on a contract like Gibson's to justify the unknown regarding Eichel I don’t think they need to take on a contract THAT bad to make this deal. They’re going to have to take on money but $6.4M per year for six years is not that. A 28 year old goalie makes no sense for this team right now and I imagine Gibson would take issue with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, LGR4GM said: We would definitely be bottom 5 with Gibson. He's got a .904 and .903 sv% the last 2 seasons. I would still take a flyer on him as a cap dump coming back, but not as main piece in a trade like the ducks might be selling him. I do think the ducks want him gone and he wants to leave. you want us take him on, you give us that extra 1st rounder or drysdale/Zegras because he is a much bigger gamble than a healthy Jack. But I do believe he can rebound easy after 2 bad seasons with a good goalie coach. Edited September 8, 2021 by Huckleberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I would still take a flyer on him as a cap dump coming back, but not as main piece in a trade like the ducks might be selling him. I do think the ducks want him gone and he wants to leave. you want us take him on, you give us that extra 1st rounder or drysdale/Zegras because he is a much bigger gamble than a healthy Jack. But I do believe he can rebound easy after 2 bad seasons with a good goalie coach. I personally do not believe he will rebound for more than 1 more season. He is signed for 6 more years. Hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I personally do not believe he will rebound for more than 1 more season. He is signed for 6 more years. Hard pass. we still need cap back and to be honest I don't see much better coming up from our system and I do see him rebound easy with some good defenders before him. Power / Dahlin / drysdale / Joker / samuelson / bryson / miller might give you a good combo for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) Gibson is severely underrated on this board. He's probably gonna be USA's starter in Beijing. The defense in front of him on the Ducks is absolutely trash. He makes highlight reel saves just about every game, he'd be a huge upgrade over Ullmark IMO. Edited September 8, 2021 by pi2000 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: we still need cap back and to be honest I don't see much better coming up from our system and I do see him rebound easy with some good defenders before him. Power / Dahlin / drysdale / Joker / samuelson / bryson / miller might give you a good combo for him. Devon Levi and Erik Portillo would disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 Just now, LGR4GM said: Devon Levi and Erik Portillo would disagree Gibson is proven in the NHL and to be honest I would take 1st round pick less coming back for him in an Eichel trade. I see him as a cross between hasek and miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Gibson is severely underrated on this board. He's probably gonna be USA's starter in Beijing. The defense in front of him on the Ducks is absolutely trash. He makes highlight reel saves just about every game, he'd be a huge upgrade over Ullmark IMO. Gibson: 2019 - .904sv% 2020 - .903sv% Ullmark: 2019 - .915sv% 2020 - .917sv% Not according to the last 2 years and Ullmark played on the worst team in the league last season. Just now, Huckleberry said: Gibson is proven in the NHL and to be honest I would take 1st round pick less coming back for him in an Eichel trade. I see him as a cross between hasek and miller. He is signed for 6 more years, this isn't hey we get Gibson for 2-3 years whatever, that is 6 years of BIG money tied up in a declining goalie. It would be a colossal mistake by Adams to saddle us with that dead weight. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Gibson: 2019 - .904sv% 2020 - .903sv% Ullmark: 2019 - .915sv% 2020 - .917sv% Not according to the last 2 years and Ullmark played on the worst team in the league last season. He is signed for 6 more years, this isn't hey we get Gibson for 2-3 years whatever, that is 6 years of BIG money tied up in a declining goalie. It would be a colossal mistake by Adams to saddle us with that dead weight. Both played on bottom 5 teams last 2 years but Gibson played 60% of the games and not below .090sv%, yeah I will take him over Ullmark right now and I love the potential of a healhty Linus but i just don't see after all those years and all the injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Both played on bottom 5 teams last 2 years but Gibson played 60% of the games and not below .090sv%, yeah I will take him over Ullmark right now and I love the potential of a healhty Linus but i just don't see after all those years and all the injuries. The best ability is availability. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 46 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Devon Levi and Erik Portillo would disagree Good. Give the someone to unseat rather than handing the job to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Good. Give the someone to unseat rather than handing the job to them. Lets not settle , lets go for more. In 5 years McDavid will be our 2C 😛 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, thewookie1 said: At this point I say let him have his surgery. If it doesn’t work for NHLers. the Sabres medical staff looks wise, Eichel looks like a fool and retires and although we lose the asset; we don’t get screwed by trading him for garbage. Honestly, I’d rather have Eichel, a king’s ransom, or Eichel retiring than an awful ROR trade sequel we’d be laughed at for years to come. Why trade him for garbage when we could end his career for nothing. Seriously, the goal here should not be to look smart and Jack looks dumb. Who cares? You are constantly so hung up on making sure that other people don’t laugh at you for being a Sabres fan. How about the Sabres just get some good assets for Eichel, win some games, then no one will laugh at you. Until the Sabres stop sucking for 10 consecutive years, your friends will still laugh at you, even if Eichel retires. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I personally do not believe he will rebound for more than 1 more season. He is signed for 6 more years. Hard pass. I personally think Gibson is an upper echelon goalie who has slipped into a mid-career funk on a bad team. I think he has several more good years in him and will still be a good starter in six years when he is 34. I hope Anaheim has soured on him and is willing to trade him as a cap dump. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Gibson: 2019 - .904sv% 2020 - .903sv% Ullmark: 2019 - .915sv% 2020 - .917sv% Not according to the last 2 years and Ullmark played on the worst team in the league last season. He is signed for 6 more years, this isn't hey we get Gibson for 2-3 years whatever, that is 6 years of BIG money tied up in a declining goalie. It would be a colossal mistake by Adams to saddle us with that dead weight. Buy low 😤 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 I am intrigued by this Gibson talk. As for Ullmark, is his save % influenced by the low event hockey being played by the team in front of him? I’m wondering if there are some #fancystats that could shed light on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, Curt said: Why trade him for garbage when we could end his career for nothing. Seriously, the goal here should not be to look smart and Jack looks dumb. Who cares? You are constantly so hung up on making sure that other people don’t laugh at you for being a Sabres fan. How about the Sabres just get some good assets for Eichel, win some games, then no one will laugh at you. Until the Sabres stop sucking for 10 consecutive years, your friends will still laugh at you, even if Eichel retires. There's the key in this. I refuse to take a ROR deal where we get utterly humiliated. Give us great assets or no assets. I'm not going to settle for garbage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 I would be intrigued with Gibson as a 1B had we kept Ullmark as 1A. Add in Zegras and toss in a good prospect or pick and goodbye Jack. I think we could have been fun to watch and just a few players away assuming Zegras comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: There's the key in this. I refuse to take a ROR deal where we get utterly humiliated. Give us great assets or no assets. I'm not going to settle for garbage. Yeah, I don’t want a trash trade either. In fact, I refuse to take a trash trade too! I refuse to settle for it! There, that should do the trick. No one here has wants the Sabres to make a bad trade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Buy low 😤 There’s no buying low on a guy with that contract. You’re paying a premium one way or the other. 14 minutes ago, Pimlach said: I would be intrigued with Gibson as a 1B had we kept Ullmark as 1A. Add in Zegras and toss in a good prospect or pick and goodbye Jack. I think we could have been fun to watch and just a few players away assuming Zegras comes along. Teams aren’t paying $6.4M for a 1B. It should also be noted that Gibson has a modified no trade clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: There's the key in this. I refuse to take a ROR deal where we get utterly humiliated. Give us great assets or no assets. I'm not going to settle for garbage. No assets is soooo much better. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: I am intrigued by this Gibson talk. As for Ullmark, is his save % influenced by the low event hockey being played by the team in front of him? I’m wondering if there are some #fancystats that could shed light on the matter. Gibson has played 86 games the past two seasons. Ullmark 54. Over the past 2 seasons, ANA has given up the 4th most high danger chances against, 718. BUF has give up 600, good for 24th most. Would love to see him get a fresh start in the blue and gold. Edited September 9, 2021 by pi2000 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Hoss said: There’s no buying low on a guy with that contract. You’re paying a premium one way or the other. Teams aren’t paying $6.4M for a 1B. It should also be noted that Gibson has a modified no trade clause. Two years at $6.4M is a salary dump for them since they are taking on $10M. that trade is not happening anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Pimlach said: Two years at $6.4M is a salary dump for them since they are taking on $10M. that trade is not happening anyway. He's got six years left, not two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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