Digger Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Since we are in a wait and see what happens (trade freeze), consider a hypothetical situation from 2015: After tanking for the season for Connor McDavid, we lose the draft lottery and fall to picking 2nd winning the chance to pick Jack Eichel. I’m sure we all remember being a bit disappointed but still really excited to get Eichel. What if we had considered trading the 2OA pick that year to Boston? I would have said no way and I imagine most of the fan base would have rejected the idea. We wanted the franchise center for the team to lead us to the “promised land” (or at least into the playoffs). But in hindsight (especially where we are today with wanting to trade Eichel and worried about getting value in return) it would have been the best move for the Sabres. Here’s what could have happened: Buffalo trades the 2015 2OA pick (Jack Eichel) to the Boston Bruins for picks #13, #14, #15 and David Pastrnak. I believe Boston would have made that trade and that Buffalo would have rejected it as not enough. Boston had a new GM Don Sweeny wanting to make an immediate impact on the team. He traded Dougie Hamilton for an additional 1st and Milan Lucic for an additional 1st. David Pastrnak was still an unproven prospect who had played 46 games that season scoring 10 goals, 17 assists for 27 points. Did Boston know he was going to be as good as he is today? Boston would have loved to draft the home town boy in Eichel. Boston made some really weird picks that year in picking Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zach Senyshyn. No one could believe they were passing on such great players still on the board. The next 3 picks after Boston’s picks (#16, #17, #18) were Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, and Thomas Chabot. All 3 were predicted by the draft experts to be drafted ahead of the Boston picks. So imagine having a Buffalo Sabres team without a Jack Eichel but having Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, and David Pastrnak. It could have happened…………………… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, WildCard said: Jack, or one of the other wonderful centers we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: Jack, or one of the other wonderful centers we have? He's referring to Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, WildCard said: Oh did they add to their offer of used pucks some trash from MSG? Maybe they tossed in an old bag of porn VHS tapes from that place in times square that closed 25 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, WildCard said: He's referring to Jack Thanks, Charlie, but it was not a real question. Your sarcasm meter needs a little adjustment ... 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Digger said: Since we are in a wait and see what happens (trade freeze), consider a hypothetical situation from 2015: After tanking for the season for Connor McDavid, we lose the draft lottery and fall to picking 2nd winning the chance to pick Jack Eichel. I’m sure we all remember being a bit disappointed but still really excited to get Eichel. What if we had considered trading the 2OA pick that year to Boston? I would have said no way and I imagine most of the fan base would have rejected the idea. We wanted the franchise center for the team to lead us to the “promised land” (or at least into the playoffs). But in hindsight (especially where we are today with wanting to trade Eichel and worried about getting value in return) it would have been the best move for the Sabres. Here’s what could have happened: Buffalo trades the 2015 2OA pick (Jack Eichel) to the Boston Bruins for picks #13, #14, #15 and David Pastrnak. I believe Boston would have made that trade and that Buffalo would have rejected it as not enough. Boston had a new GM Don Sweeny wanting to make an immediate impact on the team. He traded Dougie Hamilton for an additional 1st and Milan Lucic for an additional 1st. David Pastrnak was still an unproven prospect who had played 46 games that season scoring 10 goals, 17 assists for 27 points. Did Boston know he was going to be as good as he is today? Boston would have loved to draft the home town boy in Eichel. Boston made some really weird picks that year in picking Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zach Senyshyn. No one could believe they were passing on such great players still on the board. The next 3 picks after Boston’s picks (#16, #17, #18) were Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, and Thomas Chabot. All 3 were predicted by the draft experts to be drafted ahead of the Boston picks. So imagine having a Buffalo Sabres team without a Jack Eichel but having Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, and David Pastrnak. It could have happened…………………… I don’t think Boston would have made that trade. Yes Eichel was an elite talent. But Pastarnak was already a star in the making. His first year post draft and already over 0.5 ppg. 3 firsts on top of Pasta would probably be worth more to Boston than Eichel, with such a stacked draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said: I don’t think Boston would have made that trade. Yes Eichel was an elite talent. But Pastarnak was already a star in the making. His first year post draft and already over 0.5 ppg. 3 firsts on top of Pasta would probably be worth more to Boston than Eichel, with such a stacked draft. Rumour was that they did offer 13, 14, and 15 for #3 (Noah Hanifin). If true, they certainly would have coughed that up and maybe a bit more for Eichel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Oh did they add to their offer of used pucks some trash from MSG? Maybe they tossed in an old bag of porn VHS tapes from that place in times square that closed 25 years ago. Edited July 20, 2021 by Andrew Amerk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Digger said: Since we are in a wait and see what happens (trade freeze), consider a hypothetical situation from 2015: After tanking for the season for Connor McDavid, we lose the draft lottery and fall to picking 2nd winning the chance to pick Jack Eichel. I’m sure we all remember being a bit disappointed but still really excited to get Eichel. What if we had considered trading the 2OA pick that year to Boston? I would have said no way and I imagine most of the fan base would have rejected the idea. We wanted the franchise center for the team to lead us to the “promised land” (or at least into the playoffs). But in hindsight (especially where we are today with wanting to trade Eichel and worried about getting value in return) it would have been the best move for the Sabres. Here’s what could have happened: Buffalo trades the 2015 2OA pick (Jack Eichel) to the Boston Bruins for picks #13, #14, #15 and David Pastrnak. I believe Boston would have made that trade and that Buffalo would have rejected it as not enough. Boston had a new GM Don Sweeny wanting to make an immediate impact on the team. He traded Dougie Hamilton for an additional 1st and Milan Lucic for an additional 1st. David Pastrnak was still an unproven prospect who had played 46 games that season scoring 10 goals, 17 assists for 27 points. Did Boston know he was going to be as good as he is today? Boston would have loved to draft the home town boy in Eichel. Boston made some really weird picks that year in picking Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk, and Zach Senyshyn. No one could believe they were passing on such great players still on the board. The next 3 picks after Boston’s picks (#16, #17, #18) were Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, and Thomas Chabot. All 3 were predicted by the draft experts to be drafted ahead of the Boston picks. So imagine having a Buffalo Sabres team without a Jack Eichel but having Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, and David Pastrnak. It could have happened…………………… 1 hour ago, sabresparaavida said: I don’t think Boston would have made that trade. Yes Eichel was an elite talent. But Pastrnak was already a star in the making. His first year post draft and already over 0.5 ppg. 3 firsts on top of Pasta would probably be worth more to Boston than Eichel, with such a stacked draft. We will never know but I bet Boston would have really offered a huge package for Eichel that year. I don't remember what the hype was around Pastrnak at that time in the league. It was before he was a proven star and he was the 25th pick in the 2014 draft. Boston really wanted to make a splash in the draft moving up (but failed miserably with their eventual picks that they made). My point was that I doubt Buffalo would have accepted that as being enough at the time because we wanted the franchise center. Let's hope that we get a good deal for Eichel when and if it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said: Paul Rudd is great. Anyways I feel like Thursday and Friday will be crazy league wide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted July 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Brawndo said: This week is gonna have a hell of a finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Paul Rudd is great. Anyways I feel like Thursday and Friday will be crazy league wide. Since l’m on a personal crusade to correct you this month and to let @New Scotland (NS) know that someone actually reads his posts, there is no such word as ANYWAYS, it’s anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOutsideChicago Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Yikes. How about an elite prospect and a top 10-12 pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, jsb said: Since l’m on a personal crusade to correct you this month and to let @New Scotland (NS) know that someone actually reads his posts, there is no such word as ANYWAYS, it’s anyway. Anywho is ok though? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Quote if he’s still on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, jsb said: Since l’m on a personal crusade to correct you this month and to let @New Scotland (NS) know that someone actually reads his posts, there is no such word as ANYWAYS, it’s anyway. Were you raised in BAHSTON or something? Of course anyways is a word. In Buffalo. I think it's related to Posessification in Buffalo English: Quote Posessification Another strange linguistic trait among Buffalonians is the "posessification" of many business names, where it is changed to the posessive case. For example, it's common to hear Buffalonians refer to "Rite Aid's," "Kmart's" or "Noco's," as if there's a "Mr. Noco" that owns the gas station chain. In some cases a business name is shortened and the posessive case added, for instance Blockbuster Video becomes "Blockbuster's," and La Nova Pizzeria changes to simply "Nova's." 24 minutes ago, spndnchz said: Anywho is ok though? English is a funny language, even more so in Buffalo, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I don’t know if it’s a WNY thing, or an education thing, but … Could care less. Couldn’t care less. If you don’t, at this stage in life, know the difference, your education wasn’t very (borrowing NS words) goodly. 😂 I couldn’t care less where Eichel goes if he gets traded. I could care less, but why bother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Youth Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Come on guys this ain’t rocket surgery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Brawndo said: I would be looking for quality versus quantity. Give me Zegras and 3OA and I'm good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 hours ago, LGR4GM said: This week is gonna have a hell of a finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I'm now leaning heavily to the Jack will not be traded position. First, other teams concern about healtn issues. Second, Adams can't afford to make a bad trade and doesn't need to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Might mean nothing but Sam Reinhart moved his girlfriend to Vancouver full time instead of Buffalo they have a house now together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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