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it is wild looking at all the players with NMC that mus be protected which in turn leaves many teams with tough decisions about who to protect and who to leave unprotected...

 

Here is the full of list of players with applicable no-movement clauses for the Seattle expansion draft (**-denotes injured player likely to be exempted)

Anaheim (1): **-Ryan Kesler

Arizona (2): Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Phil Kessel

Boston (3): Patrice Bergeron, Charlie Coyle, Brad Marchand

Buffalo (1): Jeff Skinner

Carolina (1): Jordan Staal

Calgary (2): Milan Lucic, Jacob Markstrom

Chicago (4): Patrick Kane, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Jonathan Toews

Colorado (1): Erik Johnson

Dallas (4): Jamie Benn, Ben Bishop, Alexander Radulov, Tyler Seguin

Florida (3): Sergei Bobrovsky, Jonathan Huberdeau, Keith Yandle

Los Angeles (1): Drew Doughty

Minnesota (5): Jonas Brodin, Zach Parise, Jared Spurgeon, Ryan Suter, Mats Zuccarello

Montreal (3): Brendan Gallagher, Jeff Petry, Carey Price

Nashville (1): Roman Josi

N.Y. Islanders (1): **-Johnny Boychuk

N.Y. Rangers (4): Chris Kreider, Artemi Panarin, Jacob Trouba, Mika Zibanejad

Philadelphia (2): Claude Giroux, Kevin Hayes

Pittsburgh (3): Sidney Crosby, Kris Letang, Evgeni Malkin,

San Jose (2): Erik Karlsson, Marc-Edouard Vlasic

Tampa Bay (3): Victor Hedman, Nikita Kucherov, Steven Stamkos

Toronto (1): John Tavares

Vegas (2): Alex Pietrangelo, Mark Stone

Winnipeg (1): Blake Wheeler

Washington (1): Nicklas Backstrom

 

Also Sportsnet looks at the tough choices some teams have to make coming up...

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nine-teams-interesting-decisions-make-ahead-seattle-expansion-draft/

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On 4/27/2021 at 1:22 AM, dudacek said:

The only way I can see this work is if we can trade Risto for a good forward from a team that has too many forwards and a big hole on defence. Maybe there's a team like that out there.

Otherwise when you say trade Risto, you mean not for anyone as good as him or Borgen, at least not currently? If you are trading him it's for futures — assets you don't have to protect.

Also, if you are trading him, you are trading him to a team that is going to protect him, right? Otherwise why would they make the trade?

 

Vancouver is the perfect team that only has 2 NHL defenseman to worry about protecting in Myers and Schmidt.  They would protect forwards...Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Pearson, Pettersson, and then probably Virtanen and Motte.  Their biggest issue is having two goalies in Holtby and Demko leaving one of them unprotected.

They will protect Demko and expose Holtby.  Holtby would be a perfection year stop gap to back up Ullmark while UPL gets a full year with Amerks.

 

I think the perfect move for both teams would be Risto for Virtanen and Holtby.  you could add picks on either side to balance it out if needed.

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1 hour ago, sweetlou said:

Vancouver is the perfect team that only has 2 NHL defenseman to worry about protecting in Myers and Schmidt.  They would protect forwards...Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Pearson, Pettersson, and then probably Virtanen and Motte.  Their biggest issue is having two goalies in Holtby and Demko leaving one of them unprotected.

They will protect Demko and expose Holtby.  Holtby would be a perfection year stop gap to back up Ullmark while UPL gets a full year with Amerks.

 

I think the perfect move for both teams would be Risto for Virtanen and Holtby.  you could add picks on either side to balance it out if needed.

I would much rather just lose Risto in the expansion draft than take Virtanen and Holtby.  Virtanen is toxic at this point and Holtby's numbers are not great. 

Maybe I would do Holtby and a 2nd rd pick for Risto.  This would assume we are re-signing and protecting Ullmark before the draft.  Holtby as the veteran back-up bridge to Luukkonen.

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3 hours ago, sweetlou said:

Vancouver is the perfect team that only has 2 NHL defenseman to worry about protecting in Myers and Schmidt.  They would protect forwards...Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Pearson, Pettersson, and then probably Virtanen and Motte.  Their biggest issue is having two goalies in Holtby and Demko leaving one of them unprotected.

They will protect Demko and expose Holtby.  Holtby would be a perfection year stop gap to back up Ullmark while UPL gets a full year with Amerks.

 

I think the perfect move for both teams would be Risto for Virtanen and Holtby.  you could add picks on either side to balance it out if needed.

I would not trade a hockey puck for Virtanen

 

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2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

I would much rather just lose Risto in the expansion draft than take Virtanen and Holtby.  Virtanen is toxic at this point and Holtby's numbers are not great. 

Maybe I would do Holtby and a 2nd rd pick for Risto.  This would assume we are re-signing and protecting Ullmark before the draft.  Holtby as the veteran back-up bridge to Luukkonen.

Agreed on the bolding. Definitely no to Virtanen. And Holtby is done as well... it'd be like acquiring Hutton at twice the cost. Let Vancouver continue to make these poor deals (Myers, Roussel, Beagle). We have enough troubling contracts of our own without taking on more.

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Yea... no to Virtanen. Big no. No no no no no no. 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, sweetlou said:

Vancouver is the perfect team that only has 2 NHL defenseman to worry about protecting in Myers and Schmidt.  They would protect forwards...Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Pearson, Pettersson, and then probably Virtanen and Motte.  Their biggest issue is having two goalies in Holtby and Demko leaving one of them unprotected.

They will protect Demko and expose Holtby.  Holtby would be a perfection year stop gap to back up Ullmark while UPL gets a full year with Amerks.

 

I think the perfect move for both teams would be Risto for Virtanen and Holtby.  you could add picks on either side to balance it out if needed.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Move Risto to a team that can protect him. 
NYR are in a similar situation 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I was just thinking the same thing.  Move Risto to a team that can protect him. 
NYR are in a similar situation 

 

 

Columbus and Winnipeg, teams that have shown interest in the past may want to do this as well. 
 

Copp or Appleton would be Middle Six Forwards for the Sabres.

 A goalie from Columbus would help as well

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31 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Would be awesome if Skinner did the same.

Francis knows him enough that he may be opposed to take him at any cost.

Not even sure that Skinner's mom would take him at a $9MM cap hit for 6 more years.  There's no way Francis would take him if available.

That should be a conversation Adams has with Jeff.  Would allow the Sabres to keep all of Asplund, Bjork, & Thompson should they want.  

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4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Not even sure that Skinner's mom would take him at a $9MM cap hit for 6 more years.  There's no way Francis would take him if available.

That should be a conversation Adams has with Jeff.  Would allow the Sabres to keep all of Asplund, Bjork, & Thompson should they want.  

Maybe they should have played him more on the first line?

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16 minutes ago, rakish said:

Maybe they should have played him more on the first line?

It was always strikingly weird that they stapled him to the Franchise C's hip during a contract year, and proceeded to immediately remove him from said spot after letting him earn his 9 mil. 

Say what you want about Skinner, the team totally botched the situation and it wasn't just about overpaying. They mangled the situation both before and after. 

And Botterill *hired* the coach that switched up the Skinner game plan. I can't believe they didn't have a usage conversation where Skinner is concerned BEFORE Bottterill inked him, especially at the time where "communication, blah blah blah" was the "mantra". 

Have the conversation with Krueger about Skinner, before hiring him as coach, I mean

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1 minute ago, rakish said:

Maybe they should have played him more on the first line?

Well, out of 4+ coaches that have deployed Skinner, not a single 1 DIDN'T bump him off the top line.  Even Housley bumped him off the top line to get a look at Olofsson there but he did bump him back up at the end of the year to let him get to 40.

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Just now, Taro T said:

Well, out of 4+ coaches that have deployed Skinner, not a single 1 DIDN'T bump him off the top line.  Even Housley bumped him off the top line to get a look at Olofsson there but he did bump him back up at the end of the year to let him get to 40.

I'm not saying the 4 coaches are wrong, I'm saying Skinner almost certainly believes the 4 coaches are wrong. It's not me or you making the decision to waive, it's the guy that got bumped off the first line

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1 minute ago, Taro T said:

Well, out of 4+ coaches that have deployed Skinner, not a single 1 DIDN'T bump him off the top line.  Even Housley bumped him off the top line to get a look at Olofsson there but he did bump him back up at the end of the year to let him get to 40.

I don't believe he spent much time on the 1st line in Carolina either.

Didn't stop him from scoring goals there.

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Just now, dudacek said:

I don't believe he spent much time on the 1st line in Carolina either.

Didn't stop him from scoring goals there.

That's where the 4th (& any additional coaches beyond that) comes from.  (Don't care enough to look up how many coaches he played under there.) 

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4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

That's where the 4th (& any additional coaches beyond that) comes from.  (Don't care enough to look up how many coaches he played under there.) 

How many 4th line minutes in Carolina?

Also we aren't going to ret-con things and tout the idea that *even Housley demoted Skinner!", are we? He played with Jack almost the entire year. Players get moved off lines sometimes, they very rarely literally never get shifted around at all. And as you said, he returned to the line. 

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8 minutes ago, rakish said:

I'm not saying the 4 coaches are wrong, I'm saying Skinner almost certainly believes the 4 coaches are wrong. It's not me or you making the decision to waive, it's the guy that got bumped off the first line

But he has to realize that Ron Francis isn't going to take him and the team he is wedded to for the next 6 seasons will (might) be better in the 1st of those seasons by him temporarily waiving his NMC to allow the Sabres to protect an additional forward that Seattle MIGHT want to take.

It's his prerogative to be petulant if he wants.  But he should want to play on as good a team as possible now that he knows he's getting paid to be an NHLer for at least 6 more years.  Temporarily waiving the clause helps that cause. 

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1 minute ago, Thorny said:

How many 4th line minutes in Carolina?

Don't know.  Don't care.  (Also don't know nor care if he was ever a healthy scratch there, but doubt he was.)

We're talking 1st line here and none of his NHL coaches kept him there.  

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3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Don't know.  Don't care.  (Also don't know nor care if he was ever a healthy scratch there, but doubt he was.)

We're talking 1st line here and none of his NHL coaches kept him there.  

We know for a fact Skinner was viewed, and played, as our first line LW his first year here. Getting shifted briefly is irrelevant. Almost every winger gets shifted around at some point, lumping that in with the other coaching decisions is really misleading 

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10 minutes ago, Thorny said:

How many 4th line minutes in Carolina?

Also we aren't going to ret-con things and tout the idea that *even Housley demoted Skinner!", are we? He played with Jack almost the entire year. Players get moved off lines sometimes, they very rarely literally never get shifted around at all. And as you said, he returned to the line. 

There was a pretty big chunk (15-20 games?) in and around February of his first year here where they were apart. That also coincided with his scoring slump, so it supports your "but he's good with Jack" argument.

Also, to your first question, looks to me like none: there were less than 10 games in his last year in Carolina where Jeff got under 15 minutes, and at least 30 he had more than 17.

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I do know that Skinner's production dropped off that year in a real way right at the time he rolled his ankle, and that's when he got shifted, as well. Could be a factor

Oh ya. 4 goals after his "miraculous return". 36 before. 

https://subscribe.buffalonews.com/e/limit-reached-bn?returnURL=https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabres/sabres-jeff-skinner-returns-after-injury-scare-against-capitals/article_da70ddfb-1448-5488-9f4f-c59e2406bba3.html

Edit - if one can't read the link, injury scare was Feb 23

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1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Not even sure that Skinner's mom would take him at a $9MM cap hit for 6 more years.  There's no way Francis would take him if available.

Just close your eyes, click your heels 3 times, and repeat...

I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
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2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Just close your eyes, click your heels 3 times, and repeat...

I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
I'm hoping there is a compliance buyout
...
...
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And they use it on Okposo because KA figures Skinner will return to 30 goal form.

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