Sabres Trade Taylor Hall (50% of His Salary Retained)and Curtis Lazar to Boston for a 2021 2nd and Anders Bjork

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

 

I still don't see how Sabrespacers could have watched Taylor Hall play this year and say they would have given up a first for him is they were the GM of a contender.

Hall hasn't been MVP Hall since he blew out his knee. I'll repeat, 18 goals in his past 112 games.

Well, Sabrespacers couldn't, but how did we feel about Hall before the games this year? We weren't talking about "non-mvp" hall, we were talking about how good he was going to be. 

I think people believed there was a non negligible chance people would maintain that perception into the deadline, writing off the entirety of his time here as "because buffalo"

didn't happen. but the perceptions we had only a short time ago only needed to bridge 37 additional games for outsiders, so it didn't seem to crazy to say hope for a 1st

Edited April 12, 2021 by Thorny

[GoPre]

Buffalo

Hall, Lazar, Montour, and Staal for a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 5th and Bjork.  

Columbus 

Foligno, Savard, and an injured Nash for 2 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th and a 7th.  
 

Just wow. 

[Zamboni]

1 minute ago, GoPre said:

Buffalo

Hall, Lazar, Montour, and Staal for a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 5th and Bjork.  

Columbus 

Foligno, Savard, and an injured Nash for 2 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th and a 7th.  
 

Just wow. 

Go deeper. Add context, timing, need etc ...

 

[DarthEbriate]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The Sabres shouldn't be near the cap next year unless Adams is really really really bad at his job. 

True. But is he good at his job?

Ullmark holds all the leverage. A backup goalie needs to be a 1B because Ullmark has missed time with non-collision knee injuries in back-to-back years.

Dahlin is re-learning his game with Granato and increasing his value again. Ditto Jokiharju. Mitts is now a center again, and probably the 2C behind Eichel. Reinhart, a McCabe replacement...    It'll be like this summer when half the roster was UFA. The money is going to disappear quicker than we expected. Especially since 4th liners like Eakins and Girgensons are making 2M+ each. And Skinner. Oh, Skinner.

[DarthEbriate]

7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I still don't see how Sabrespacers could have watched Taylor Hall play this year and say they would have given up a first for him is they were the GM of a contender.

Certainly. I cap at 2nd, and just like Boston I'd have really pushed for just a 3rd.

On the Sabres side --- instead of taking Bjork and giving away my only grit C in Lazar, really my only gritty forward, period... (Cozens isn't and shouldn't be as a rookie, Okposo could but can't respond to anything because he's a jostle away from concussion) ---   if Boston needs to free up $800k, then we just say "give us an AHL JAG." The equivalent of JS Dea or CJ Smith. If Bjork is being replaced in the lineup, then Boston can always demote him. His 1.6M will clear waivers. He can take the place of the Dea/Smith equivalent for Providence.

[Randall Flagg]

11 minutes ago, GoPre said:

Buffalo

Hall, Lazar, Montour, and Staal for a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 5th and Bjork.  

Columbus 

Foligno, Savard, and an injured Nash for 2 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th and a 7th.  
 

Just wow. 

Foligno and Savard are both way better hockey players by themselves than the Buffalo group combined, unless Montour of the last 2 weeks is the real Montour.  NHL teams watched hockey games and noticed this 

[Norcal]

Sportsnet saying Hall affected the return by limiting the teams he would go to. The NMC ***** em. 

[PerreaultForever]

I've been looking at the Bruins press releases and reading articles like this one:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/bruins-take-advantage-sabres-taylor-hall-trade/

and I'm starting to think Taylor Hall kind of screwed us for the money.

It appears he wanted to be a Bruin before the season but they couldn't work around their cap so he came here and now he was handcuffing Adams with his no move clause so the Bruins deal was pretty much the only option we had. There's some speculation here but listen and read for yourselves and I think it leads one to that conclusion.

IF he plays well in Boston I think it would confirm it. 

[LGR4GM]

I hate, absolutely hate, Taylor Hall. Hope he gets his ass handed to him when the Sabres play them.

[thewookie1]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I've been looking at the Bruins press releases and reading articles like this one:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/bruins-take-advantage-sabres-taylor-hall-trade/

and I'm starting to think Taylor Hall kind of screwed us for the money.

It appears he wanted to be a Bruin before the season but they couldn't work around their cap so he came here and now he was handcuffing Adams with his no move clause so the Bruins deal was pretty much the only option we had. There's some speculation here but listen and read for yourselves and I think it leads one to that conclusion.

IF he plays well in Boston I think it would confirm it. 

So he effectively pulled a Babcock.

I hope the Sabres look into investigating this for tampering

 

[Drag0nDan]

4 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I've been looking at the Bruins press releases and reading articles like this one:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/bruins-take-advantage-sabres-taylor-hall-trade/

and I'm starting to think Taylor Hall kind of screwed us for the money.

It appears he wanted to be a Bruin before the season but they couldn't work around their cap so he came here and now he was handcuffing Adams with his no move clause so the Bruins deal was pretty much the only option we had. There's some speculation here but listen and read for yourselves and I think it leads one to that conclusion.

IF he plays well in Boston I think it would confirm it. 

Boston gets a free trial for contract negotiations too - hopefully he does well so they lock him up.  Cuz from what i saw, he's not the impact player on the ice that he believes he is.

[GASabresIUFAN]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I hate, absolutely hate, Taylor Hall. Hope he gets his ass handed to him when the Sabres play them.

Slava Kozlov 2.

[Doohickie]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I hate, absolutely hate, Taylor Hall. Hope he gets his ass handed to him when the Sabres play them.

Oh he will have a target on his back for sure.

[Drag0nDan]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

I hate, absolutely hate, Taylor Hall. Hope he gets his ass handed to him when the Sabres play them.

Imagine if skinner just pulls some greasy cheap shot... This is for taking my rightful position on jack's wing!

[Curt]

56 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

Man, give me back Lazar!  I know he’s just a 4th liner but the kids got a great name!

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

So he effectively pulled a Babcock.

I hope the Sabres look into investigating this for tampering

 

It's maybe kind of Babcock like but it's not tampering. Wouldn't be the first or last player to manipulate his employers. 

[LGR4GM]

Masterful ***** job by Adams...

 

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

Oh he will have a target on his back for sure.

Will anybody currently on the Sabres roster take a run at him?

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

Oh he will have a target on his back for sure.

LMFAO. What team have you been a fan of all your life? Sabres target an opponent? Come on man, not a player on this team will even breath on him. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Masterful ***** job by Adams...

 

LOL, this deal just keeps getting better.

[fiftyone]

So what are we thinking about this point? That we're probably done, more surprised than not if we were to make another deal before the deadline?

[thewookie1]

So Hall played us along side Krueger.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

So Hall played us along side Krueger.

Us? no. Pegula and Adams, yes. 

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Masterful ***** job by Adams...

 

2.25 mil cap hit, and he has 10 goals this year.  

Hall had 3 assists in the 13 games leading up to the deadline fwiw (before sitting for injury prevention) - and has 2 goals this year. 

[Curt]

34 minutes ago, GoPre said:

Buffalo

Hall, Lazar, Montour, and Staal for a 2nd, 2 3rds, a 5th and Bjork.  

Columbus 

Foligno, Savard, and an injured Nash for 2 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th and a 7th.  
 

Just wow. 

I’m going to assume you think that Hall is by far the best player here, because there is no way that Staal, Montour and Lazar come anywhere close to Foligno or Savard.

People need to accept that at his salary, with a NMC, lack of playoff experience or leadership reputation, and with the way he played this season the market for Hall just was not there.