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3 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I thought Joki was excellent in the 3rd period last night -- cool as a cucumber under pressure, and beautiful skating and passing.

Joki/Dahlin are playing with a single mind out there lately.  Beautiful to watch.  They seem to naturally read off each other.

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31 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I expect to have zero, and I mean ZERO, people on my side here.

I would expose Olofsson in a 4-4-1 setup before exposing Will Borgen. The decision would be easy.


Of course, I would try to move deck chairs so I didn't lose any of those guys, but.

Let me see if I understand you.  You'd keep Borgen, a 24 year old D with 8 games of NHL experience, over one of Olofsson, our 2nd leading scorer this season with 33 goals in 102 career games, Mittelstadt, a former top 8 pick with 141 career games and who is now playing to his potential, Thompson and Asplund, who are also emerging. 

Thankfully your not the GM.  I like Borgen as well.  If management likes him as much as you do, they can use some of the draft capital KA just acquired to keep him by a side deal with Seattle. 

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16 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Let me see if I understand you.  You'd keep Borgen, a 24 year old D with 8 games of NHL experience, over one of Olofsson, our 2nd leading scorer this season with 33 goals in 102 career games, Mittelstadt, a former top 8 pick with 141 career games and who is now playing to his potential, Thompson and Asplund, who is also emerging. 

Yup.

I liked Numminen and Tallinder a lot better than Kotalik 

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GMs don't build elite teams based on treating what they have in front of them today as what they look like today. Great GMs that make great moves and build great teams make those decisions before they're obvious, and I'm hitching my wagon to Will being one of those decisions

I can just tell

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11 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

Yup.

I liked Numminen and Tallinder a lot better than Kotalik 

Tallinder and Numminen were established or proven veteran players when Buffalo made it's run 16 years ago.  Borgen maybe Tallinder-ish in style of play, but he isn't Tallinder in ability.  Not an apples to apples comparison.

9 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

GMs don't build elite teams based on treating what they have in front of them today as what they look like today. Great GMs that make great moves and build great teams make those decisions before they're obvious, and I'm hitching my wagon to Will being one of those decisions

I can just tell

I'm glad you are clairvoyant.  

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1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said:

I expect to have zero, and I mean ZERO, people on my side here.

I would expose Olofsson in a 4-4-1 setup before exposing Will Borgen. The decision would be easy.


Of course, I would try to move deck chairs so I didn't lose any of those guys, but.

Agree on Exposing Olofsson over Borgen. Specifically because of the Identity GMKA keeps talking about wanting Sabres to possess.  Olofsson is a one-trick pony with his elite shot, but spends ALL of his time skating around the perimeter. Does he even know how to hit? How to out-compete the guy across from him?  He is useless in 5 on 5 because of this. And is why all of his goals come on the power play (which are also trending down as most teams have figured him out).

Borgen on the other hand is a solid reliable D-man with some jam & is a real compliment to be lined up with the more offensive D-men. I see more compete & a stronger future role in Borgen than Olofsson. (I still like VO, just see him as more expendable/replaceable)

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Here is the problem with your protecting Borgen over VO.  Not only are you making VO available, but also likely Thompson and Asplund.  It's also terrible asset management.

If you place Thompson, Asplund, Borgen and Olofsson on the market who would have the highest trade value?  Like Olofsson followed by Thompson, Asplund and lastly Borgen.  Olofsson might be worth a 1st rd pick or a very good prospect.  Borgen is probably worth a 4th rd pick or less.  So you want to give Seattle our most consistent goal scorer for nothing, while retaining an aging prospect worth a 4th rd pick.  That makes no sense.  Even if the organization agreed with you they'd trade VO long before they expose him to the expansion draft and lose him for nothing.  

The other problem is what if Sea wants to go younger and cheaper.  Are you ok with losing Thompson, when he have no one else in the organization with his type of length and size?  

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7 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

GMs don't build elite teams based on treating what they have in front of them today as what they look like today. Great GMs that make great moves and build great teams make those decisions before they're obvious, and I'm hitching my wagon to Will being one of those decisions

I can just tell

Do you have more confidence in Will Borgen than Rasmus Dahlin? 

Aside from that, I don’t think it’s zany to protect WB over VO, but the caveat is we’d need to be adding a true top 6 player this offseason to take his place (which we do need anyway) 

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38 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Do you have more confidence in Will Borgen than Rasmus Dahlin? 

Aside from that, I don’t think it’s zany to protect WB over VO, but the caveat is we’d need to be adding a true top 6 player this offseason to take his place (which we do need anyway) 

No, because Dahlin is safely protected while Will is in the fringe discussion. 

Either way, I could avoid this scenario really easily - Risto isnt' coming back, so just move him for something that doesn't need protection (or for a forward) BEFORE the expansion draft and then go 7-3-1, and then address any D deficiencies after the expansion draft 

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11 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

I expect to have zero, and I mean ZERO, people on my side here.

I would expose Olofsson in a 4-4-1 setup before exposing Will Borgen. The decision would be easy.


Of course, I would try to move deck chairs so I didn't lose any of those guys, but.

If McCabe isn't coming back, & they'll know by the time they have to submit their protected list, would protect Bogen over Jokiharju & try to see if an incentive will get Miller to be the guy taken.  If he is coming back, still might go that direction, but if Will is exposed offer even slightly more to make Miller the guy taken.

Trading Olofsson is something to have on the table and suggested that in another thread.  But wouldn't protect only 4 F's as losing Asplund will end up hurting IMHO.

 

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I don't dare call them the core; that word has a negative connotation on this forum.  Although you might say that Eichel and Reino and Skinner and Olofsson are key pieces to this team, the heart of this team, suddenly, the heart of this team seems to be the middle six:  the ATM line and Ruotsalainen-Cozens-Bjork.  It's certainly where the team's improvement is coming from right now.  And on the D side, the mantle is being passed from McCabe-Risto to Dahlin-Joki.

I look forward to getting McCabe and Jack back, but seeing what Granato is doing with those 8 players, I really think the Sabres will be okay with these young pups.

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