Buffalonill Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said: Josh is good, but he's far from MVP level this year. He's close to surpassing his stats from last year ? And you guys have zero run game . The offense runs through allen Including the running game. In my opinion is an MVP candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Was shocked to see that your quarterback did not make the pro bowl. Don't see how hes anyway in the conversation for MVP now 22 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said: Josh is good, but he's far from MVP level this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, inkman said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of the Bills' red zone percentage last year vs this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, inkman said: He didn’t win MVP last year, and pretty much all of those stats are slightly worse. 3% worse completion percentage, less yards on more attempts, worse td%, higher int%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 What does help his case though, is his running has been better (outside of TDs) averaging almost 2 more yards per attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of the Bills' red zone percentage last year vs this year? Do you think Lamar Jackson has been better than Allen, because that's really the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 The pro bowl is a popularity contest. No need to get your panties in a bunch about it. Josh already got paid so it won’t affect his next contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. 'Lousy' is a pretty relative term. But many people seem to define it simply as "he lost" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Do you think Lamar Jackson has been better than Allen, because that's really the question. I agree that the Lamar comparison is relevant if it’s an MVP discussion, but if the discussion is whether the Bills are good enough to make a deep playoff run, I think the answer, based on how JA has played against good teams this year, is no. 14 minutes ago, dudacek said: 'Lousy' is a pretty relative term. But many people seem to define it simply as "he lost" Well, I’m sure some people do define it that way, but I don’t think that’s the case among the erudite Bills fans that populate this board. IMHO, in order for the Bills (or most other teams) to go deep in the playoffs, the QB has to deliver consistently excellent play. JA hasn’t lived up to that standard against good teams this year. YMMV, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, dudacek said: 'Lousy' is a pretty relative term. But many people seem to define it simply as "he lost" Wins are not a QB stat. 8 minutes ago, nfreeman said: I agree that the Lamar comparison is relevant if it’s an MVP discussion, but if the discussion is whether the Bills are good enough to make a deep playoff run, I think the answer, based on how JA has played against good teams this year, is no. Well, I’m sure some people do define it that way, but I don’t think that’s the case among the erudite Bills fans that populate this board. IMHO, in order for the Bills (or most other teams) to go deep in the playoffs, the QB has to deliver consistently excellent play. JA hasn’t lived up to that standard against good teams this year. YMMV, of course. The Chiefs are calling, they want to know if they are a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, nfreeman said: I agree that the Lamar comparison is relevant if it’s an MVP discussion, but if the discussion is whether the Bills are good enough to make a deep playoff run, I think the answer, based on how JA has played against good teams this year, is no. Well, I’m sure some people do define it that way, but I don’t think that’s the case among the erudite Bills fans that populate this board. IMHO, in order for the Bills (or most other teams) to go deep in the playoffs, the QB has to deliver consistently excellent play. JA hasn’t lived up to that standard against good teams this year. YMMV, of course. You changed the question. Is Lamar Jackson more worthy of the pro bowl than Josh Allen, is Lamar better? BTW, idc about the pro bowl. It's boring and I've only ever watched highlights because it's boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: You changed the question. Is Lamar Jackson more worthy of the pro bowl than Josh Allen, is Lamar better? BTW, idc about the pro bowl. It's boring and I've only ever watched highlights because it's boring. I don't know one human that cares about the game. The only thing people seem to care about is who is voted in, which is stupid because people are not objective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 hours ago, nfreeman said: That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of the Bills' red zone percentage last year vs this year? Considering how lousy our oline play has been this year, I think he might be playing better. I definitely don't think he's regressed. Get him a good line and maybe get Gabe Davis involved all year and the numbers would be vastly better. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 9 hours ago, nfreeman said: That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of the Bills' red zone percentage last year vs this year? You're not wrong, Josh has had a few games this year that we're not good. The year to date stats might be similar, but I expected more consistently good weeks building off of last year and have been somewhat disappointed with him. Still a really good QB, was just hoping for more. 8 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Do you think Lamar Jackson has been better than Allen, because that's really the question. No. Lamar has had a poor season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 20 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Considering how lousy our oline play has been this year, I think he might be playing better. I definitely don't think he's regressed. Get him a good line and maybe get Gabe Davis involved all year and the numbers would be vastly better. I really gotta question some things at OBD. Josh Allen leading the NFL in YPC and your offensive wizard doesn’t think to have him run the ball in the worst weather elements all season? Gave Davis, who continually looks like WR2 getting relegated to WR4 because…? Your O-line can’t block anyone in pass pro so you never give them help, ever (extra blocker, rolling pocket, etc). McDermott does some nice things but he’s far from infallible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 23 hours ago, nfreeman said: That statistical comparison is a good demonstration of the reason that you can't just rely on stats. Anyone who has watched the Bills this year has seen JA have a number of lousy games. He's not been nearly as good as he was last year. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of the Bills' red zone percentage last year vs this year? Maybe having possibly the worst offensive line in football and we're looking at Josh? He's fine and a few of his receivers as well. The rest of the offense and coaching has sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, inkman said: Gave Davis, who continually looks like WR2 getting relegated to WR4 because…? Gabe had more snaps than any other receiver last game. More than Diggs, even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, JujuFish said: Gabe had more snaps than any other receiver last game. More than Diggs, even. With players injured… Just now, inkman said: With players injured… It shouldn’t have taken injuries to get your second most talented receiver on the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, inkman said: With players injured… It shouldn’t have taken injuries to get your second most talented receiver on the field. One injury, to Sanders. And Gabe was just behind Diggs the week before (against Tampa), with Sanders in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 This is absurd honestly. Who do we have on the Covid list now? Beasley, Ford, Dawkins, Davis...am I missing anyone? Allen is going to die Sunday unless the Patriots get hit with Covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, WildCard said: This is absurd honestly. Who do we have on the Covid list now? Beasley, Ford, Dawkins, Davis...am I missing anyone? Allen is going to die Sunday unless the Patriots get hit with Covid It's getting ugly. Not as bad as the 'Aints, who are taking that little nickname seriously. But still bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, WildCard said: This is absurd honestly. Who do we have on the Covid list now? Beasley, Ford, Dawkins, Davis...am I missing anyone? Allen is going to die Sunday unless the Patriots get hit with Covid This is the most up to date site I can find https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-covid-tracker-2021/ Buffalo Bills Cody Ford, OL | 12/24/21 Gabriel Davis, WR | 12/24/21 Cole Beasley, WR | 12/22/21 Quintin Morris, TE | 12/22/21 Mike Love, DE | 12/20/21 A.J. Epenesa, DE | 12/20/21 Jon Feliciano, OL | 12/19/21 Dion Dawkins, LT | 12/18/21 Tyrel Dodson, LB | 12/13/21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Thanks. Are any of them remotely likely to make it for this Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 minute ago, WildCard said: Thanks. Are any of them remotely likely to make it for this Sunday? /shrug Merry Christmas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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