#freejame Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Hall because he knows we are suckers and will pay above market value. Us because of incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: To keep Jack happy? I dunno. I'm still open to the idea of signing Hall but it can't be after a poor season. Unless they get him at a huge discount. Too risky otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Anything linger than 3 years and I hate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) If he is signed to a new deal by the Sabres, I may turn in my fan card. ...but then again he would fit right in as another player on the wrong side of 30(or soon to be) with a big contract. Edited February 19, 2021 by LabattBlue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, WildCard said: Anything linger than 3 years and I hate it I have been know to pass gas that lingers for 3 years, and my wife hates it also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: If he is signed to a new deal by the Sabres, I may turn in my fan card. ...but then again he would fit right in as another player on the wrong side of 30(or soon to be) with a big contract. You and I both. Under Ralph Hall looks totally washed up. Don’t know why anyone would sign this player to an extension at this point. He looks like a shell of his former self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I would be totally in favour of signing Hall long-term. 100% He is a dynamic player and a game changer. We have him. We need to keep him. This season is a complete waste anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: I would be totally in favour of signing Hall long-term. 100% He is a dynamic player and a game changer. We have him. We need to keep him. This season is a complete waste anyway. Depends on the contract for me. I think I would have to pass on a 5+ years, and/or $7M+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 If this is what we get from Hall during a contract year, just imagine the offensive output when he's on a long term pegula bucks deal. Welcome to the country club! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 I would only sign him for four years at $7.5 million AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Give him the John Mayer 3x5 special because that’s how he’s playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, sweetlou said: I would only sign him for four years at $7.5 million AAV. I would be ok with this. But nothing longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 12:00 PM, #freejame said: What would Hall even fetch at the deadline? I’m thinking it’s much less than others are anticipating. Kane -- also on an expiring contract -- got O'Regan, a conditional 1st/2nd depending on re-signing, and a conditional 4th. Hall is not having nearly the season Kane did in his trade year, but is still producing PP assists (yay!). We could get upgrade to a legit NHL prospect (like a teams 4th/5th best prospect) OR get another pick if we retained salary. O'Regan was regarded pretty much as an AHL guy at the time of the trade, a "change-of-scenery might work" guy. He was not one of the Sharks' top prospects. I'd say best case Hall + salary => 2021 Conditional 1st/2nd based on re-signing; 2022 2nd for retaining salary; a guy comparable to our D Ryan Johnson or F Arttu Ruotsalainen in the "they should make it" category; and a 2022 4th. We're not getting a team's Cozens or Quinn for a rental in a COVID-shortened year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Hall sure gets knocked down to the ice a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 This season is not a good indicator of what Hall, or most other Sabres for that matter, really will bring to the table. Again, this season is a waste. We all know what Hall can do. He is a differnce maker in this league. Bottom line. He will be 30 soon, I think, so ... 5 years ... $7.5 per. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Naughton Jr Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 I just saw this and I had to share. I mean we were awful before he got here but whatever.. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 5, 2021 Report Share Posted March 5, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 1:54 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: He will be 30 soon, I think, so ... 5 years ... $7.5 per. This would be a BIG mistake. 👎 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 Last 13 games...1 goal 3 assists and a "-9". In what world does this equate to new multi-year deal? They should be embarrassed if they are even thinking about it...forget going through with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 12:54 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: This season is not a good indicator of what Hall, or most other Sabres for that matter, really will bring to the table. Again, this season is a waste. We all know what Hall can do. He is a differnce maker in this league. Bottom line. He will be 30 soon, I think, so ... 5 years ... $7.5 per. Not a difference maker with Edmonton. Had one great season and earned a Hart. I would much rather pay Reinhart. I would try to get a solid prospect and a pick for Hall at the deadline. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Line Center Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 His value like most guys on this team has plummeted. You're a GM looking to get Hall. What are you willing to part with? And I'm starting to feel this way about the whole dam roster. Including Dahlin and Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 It really feels the Hall camp miscalculated and is trying to get what they can before he's forced to find out how bad the market is for a 6-goal, 27-point scorer this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, dudacek said: It really feels the Hall camp miscalculated and is trying to get what they can before he's forced to find out how bad the market is for a 6-goal, 27-point scorer this summer. So let’s do him a favor and trade him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 1:54 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: This season is not a good indicator of what Hall, or most other Sabres for that matter, really will bring to the table. Again, this season is a waste. We all know what Hall can do. He is a differnce maker in this league. Bottom line. He will be 30 soon, I think, so ... 5 years ... $7.5 per. Just what do we all know Hall can do? He is not a difference maker in the league anymore. He is now in his 12th year in his career, in 11 of those he hasn't even hit 30 goals. Since his mvp year, 3 years has gone by and one major knee surgery. He is at an age where production for forwards starts to go down. Since that MVP season, most of it has not been with the Sabres and he is doing 19.9 goals and 50.3 assist per 82 games....and as his age goes up, his production per game has gone down every season as he gets older. That to me is no longer a 'difference maker' and someone I don't want to pay 7.5 per year to...certainly not over 5 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 16 hours ago, mjd1001 said: Just what do we all know Hall can do? He is not a difference maker in the league anymore. He is now in his 12th year in his career, in 11 of those he hasn't even hit 30 goals. Since his mvp year, 3 years has gone by and one major knee surgery. He is at an age where production for forwards starts to go down. Since that MVP season, most of it has not been with the Sabres and he is doing 19.9 goals and 50.3 assist per 82 games....and as his age goes up, his production per game has gone down every season as he gets older. That to me is no longer a 'difference maker' and someone I don't want to pay 7.5 per year to...certainly not over 5 years. 70 points would definitely be a difference maker I’m just highly skeptical he’ll ever get back to that given what you’ve laid out and I’m not paying and committing to find out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Thorny said: 70 points would definitely be a difference maker I’m just highly skeptical he’ll ever get back to that given what you’ve laid out and I’m not paying and committing to find out I didn’t watch much of Hall last year, but it’s interesting reading some of the commentary in hindsight, and juxtaposing it with what we’ve seen this year and the kind of offers he’s got in free agency. It seems there was a strong streak of “he’s not the same player since the knee injury” running through the scouting community. When I watch Hall and Staal and Eakin, I wonder how heavily each was scouted prior to their acquisition. Were we going off data accumulated by Botterill’s mostly fired crew? Was it largely about Nightingale and the new skeleton crew running some tape and crunching some numbers? Was it Ralph (Hall) and Kevyn (Staal) leaning hard into their past associations? I’d imagine it was pieces of each, but the common thread here is we acquired players who aren’t as good as they used to be. I posted in fall that the Eakin signing in particular would tell me a lot about player evaluation under the new regime. None of our three biggest acquisitions have done anything to demonstrate that our lean staff knows what it is doing. Edited March 7, 2021 by dudacek 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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