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Free Agent Frenzy! Oct 9, 2020


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3 hours ago, Eleven said:

This is the end for the Vegas window.  Their vets are already complaining about seeing their names attached to trade rumors, and Vegas cannot possibly squeeze everyone in under the cap.

 

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

I was telling someone how this was bound to happen. Even though they know it’s a business, players don’t like to be treated Like assets.

 

2 hours ago, Eleven said:

Yeah, I think they know they might be traded, but they don't like that being aired publicly.  

This is where my info came from, BTW:  

 

 

So, I guess what happens in Vegas doesn't necessarily stay in Vegas...

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2 hours ago, Thorny said:

It may simply be a scenario where we need to move Montour for something very small, with the return being we are able to grab a goalie for something small. Dumping cap the motivator in both instances. 

If Montour for said goalie is a deal you would have hypothetically made, the maneuver makes sense. 

This. 

I kind of agree in theory but, how valuable is that added gap between when they player needs to be paid? If you are dealing with a team like AZ, maybe you think the pick in the second is going to be reasonably high. Depends how you feel about the prospect in question I guess.

Are you saying the Sabres are actually at a point where they have to dump a good player in order to make room for another good player?

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15 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Are you saying the Sabres are actually at a point where they have to dump a good player in order to make room for another good player?

Sort of. Cause the cap is a big thing here, ideally we'd still have a Kahun on the roster and we could use the 23rd roster spot for that, but in this case, I'd say yes. If we keep everyone we have, we are going to have Montour on the third pair left side or something. It's just not the roster spot I'd want to devote that level of talent to, considering how much more use we'd get from switching the value Montour has a player into a role that'll be utilized 60 mins, 50 percent of the nights. 

If you are playing your third pair third pair minutes, or even 1/3rd of the minutes straight up, I think there's more WAR to be found in the tender upgrade. 

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18 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Are you saying the Sabres are actually at a point where they have to dump a good player in order to make room for another good player?

I'd kind of suggest that. The addition of a big FA like Hall does change everything. You don't give anything up (aside from money obviously) and make yourself better instantly. makes us instantly deeper and better and if Cozens is in fact ready for real NHL minutes we are even better and yes, can consider actual hockey trades of good for different good. 

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If we didn't have a flat cap, we could likely get Kahun back or splurge on a D/G (with a trade).  Even the basic case would be sick:

Hall-Eichel-Olofsson

Skinner-Staal-Reinhart

Girgensens-Eakins-Kahun

Cozens-Lazar-Thompson

Rieder

That's a matchup problem for most teams.  But in the what-if with looser caps, the league-wide quest for Hall might have been more difficult.

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13 hours ago, nfreeman said:

OK, but a good goalie on a 2-year deal will cost something, and I'd rather give up next year's #2 than, say, Borgen or Mittlestadt.

Man, Mitts has so little value to me right now that I would do that deal without pause.

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13 minutes ago, Weave said:

Man, Mitts has so little value to me right now that I would do that deal without pause.

I'm with you. Either that or just keep him like we did Nylander and ride it out until someone gets desperate or who knows, he improves; don't trade him for peanuts at the very least

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15 minutes ago, Weave said:

Man, Mitts has so little value to me right now that I would do that deal without pause.

Cut bait. If he turns out to be some thing then he deserves a huge pat on the back. Be relentless. In the meantime just go.

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14 minutes ago, SDS said:

Cut bait. If he turns out to be some thing then he deserves a huge pat on the back. Be relentless. In the meantime just go.

Depends on the return though.  If we get nothing back then what is the point?  I’m with Wildcard on this one.

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I hate to say it but mittlestadt will probably never be a full time nhl player. 

I get the impression that he felt like he was owed his spot and did nothing to earn it. I also think that being sent down will not be enough to get him to hit the gym like he needs to. 

I suspect he was always so much better than the people he played with, without giving the grear efforts.

 

I hope I'm wrong 

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19 minutes ago, miles said:

I hate to say it but mittlestadt will probably never be a full time nhl player. 

I get the impression that he felt like he was owed his spot and did nothing to earn it. I also think that being sent down will not be enough to get him to hit the gym like he needs to. 

I suspect he was always so much better than the people he played with, without giving the grear efforts.

 

I hope I'm wrong 

Ditto. I want to like the kid but, man, he does not make it easy.

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It could take Mitts years to become a legit NHL player (if it ever happens at all). He's only 21, some players take longer to develop & don't reach NHL status til 24. Can we keep paying him & keep him around that long? If he could be moved for a goalie we need now, i think we'd be crazy not to do so.

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2 hours ago, In The Buff said:

It could take Mitts years to become a legit NHL player (if it ever happens at all). He's only 21, some players take longer to develop & don't reach NHL status til 24. Can we keep paying him & keep him around that long? If he could be moved for a goalie we need now, i think we'd be crazy not to do so.

No reason we can’t.  Not that I’m particularly against trading him.

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5 hours ago, In The Buff said:

It could take Mitts years to become a legit NHL player (if it ever happens at all). He's only 21, some players take longer to develop & don't reach NHL status til 24. Can we keep paying him & keep him around that long? If he could be moved for a goalie we need now, i think we'd be crazy not to do so.

But what kind of goalie are you going to get with mitts. One that's way worse than what we have 

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8 minutes ago, miles said:

But what kind of goalie are you going to get with mitts. One that's way worse than what we have 

I don’t agree at all with this.

Matt Murray - a Stanley Cup winner - just went for the 52 pick in this draft. Lias Anderson - a more disappointing prospect than Casey selected one pick before him in 2017 - went for the 60th.

In this market, a 2nd round pick gets you a goalie, or a tarnished former top10 pick.

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/31-thoughts-inside-tough-tense-early-days-nhl-free-agency/

31 Thoughts:

5. Boston and Calgary were among the others who badly wanted Anderson. If it had been the Flames, I think we’re talking about a pretty big deal.

6. If there are any “temporary bubbles,” hopefully Colorado and Vegas are lumped together. What an arms race, and we deserve this entertainment. What we know: Vegas signed Pietrangelo to the biggest contract of the 2020 free-agent extravaganza. What we’re hearing: the Golden Knights, aggressive from their owner on down, tried to do even more, considering Hall and Steven Stamkos.

We’ll get to Hall in a moment, but I do believe Stamkos was asked to consider waiving his no-move by Tampa Bay. There’s a wall of secrecy around it, and the captain is recovering from surgery. Obviously, his health is a huge factor. (Stamkos calmed the Lightning after their emotional overtime loss in Game 5 of the Stanley Final, re-assuring them, reminding them how well they played.)

9. Hall had a lot of teams saying, “Once we move this, we can pay you this,” even on a one-year deal. I think he was intrigued by Boston and Vegas, but neither could commit without moving money. (I’m not convinced Colorado even got that far.) With cash so tight, who knows how long it would have taken? Even then, many of the offers were around $3 million less than Buffalo’s offer. (It’s possible the Bruins were closer, willing to stretch for Hall, but that’s unconfirmed.)

It’s a lot to leave on the table, especially in a year where at least 28 per cent of your salary is to be withheld. Columbus had a longer-term offer, but I don’t know how high the number went. Hall wanted to know where he was playing. He didn’t want to sit and wait. The Sabres were in and committed, with a coach he likes and the best centre he’s ever played with. It’s bold. The NHL needs that.

 

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13 hours ago, dudacek said:

I don’t agree at all with this.

Matt Murray - a Stanley Cup winner - just went for the 52 pick in this draft. Lias Anderson - a more disappointing prospect than Casey selected one pick before him in 2017 - went for the 60th.

In this market, a 2nd round pick gets you a goalie, or a tarnished former top10 pick.

The big detail they left out was this:

Matt Murray - a Stanley Cup winner -Who will count 6.25M AAV against a hard salary cap,  just went for the 52 pick in this draft. Lias Anderson - a more disappointing prospect than Casey selected one pick before him in 2017 - went for the 60th, but costs virtually nothing against the salary cap

In this market, a 2nd round pick gets you a goalie, or a tarnished former top10 pick.

 

Bottom Line: the salary cap hit is dictating value almost as much as the actual player these days.

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5 minutes ago, Ruff Around The Edges said:

The big detail they left out was this:

Matt Murray - a Stanley Cup winner -Who will count 6.25M AAV against a hard salary cap,  just went for the 52 pick in this draft. Lias Anderson - a more disappointing prospect than Casey selected one pick before him in 2017 - went for the 60th, but costs virtually nothing against the salary cap

In this market, a 2nd round pick gets you a goalie, or a tarnished former top10 pick.

Bottom Line: the salary cap hit is dictating value almost as much as the actual player these days.

Well, that's always been the case (were Okposo making $2-3MM he'd be very tradable, but the Sabres would have little interest in trading him at that price), but now that total cap value of salaries is tight against total cap, the effect is magnified.

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