Thorny Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 I think @LGR4GM's got the pulse of this one best. Bob is smart enough to know what that tweet sequence would cause, at best it's willful ignorance. There's no way the subject matter of that tweet sequence was news-worthy to the point of making it all worth it. How do I know that? Because the most talked about aspects of it all are things the tweet/Sabres/Eichel's agent denied are going to happen. The biggest point of discussion it sparked was "Eichel wants out, what can my team give to get him". That's the narrative. Bob would know this would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 29, 2020 Report Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Drag0nDan said: A lot of losing, and injuries/rehab. Many players would just call it quits, its probably rather depressing and lonely. Then when you come back you're immediately trade bait. I don't blame buffalo either, he didn't do a thing when he was here other than cost a lot and be injured. Erroneous. Bogo made the trade request. 3 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Whew, that was close. Where would we be without Jack? How is this honestly still a thing when we saw it applied to ROR when he was dealt, when he then proceeded to win a Conn Smythe? Baby/bath water. I know you know Jack is good enough to be the best player on a cup team. The fact that it's arguable we could win it with a Best Player worse than Jack doesn't correlate to having Jack not being a very good thing. The implication of your argument is basically, "who cares if we lose him, weren't winning with him". If I'm ever drowning and treading water waiting for a lifeguard, I'll be sure to chop my nuts off to save on weight as they sure as shite ain't helping me right now, amirite? The fact that they'd be an incredible aid to my inherent biological pursuits me and my wife share should I ever address the actual issue is not something I need to worry about right now, I guess. Sobotka. Edited September 30, 2020 by Thorny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Thorny said: Erroneous. Bogo made the trade request. How is this honestly still a thing when we saw it applied to ROR when he was dealt, when he then proceeded to win a Conn Smythe? Baby/bath water. I know you know Jack is good enough to be the best player on a cup team. The fact that it's arguable we could win it with a Best Player worse than Jack doesn't correlate to having Jack not being a very good thing. The implication of your argument is basically, "who cares if we lose him, weren't winning with him". If I'm ever drowning and treading water waiting for a lifeguard, I'll be sure to chop my nuts off to save on weight as they sure as shite ain't helping me right now, amirite? The fact that they'd be an incredible aid to my inherent biological pursuits me and my wife share should I ever address the actual issue is not something I need to worry about right now. Sobotka. What trade? He signed with Tampa as a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: What trade? He signed with Tampa as a free agent. They terminated his contact so he could do that. And they only terminated his contract because no one would trade for him. And they were attempting to trade him because he requested a trade this season officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Thus is my opinion only The owners of the Sabres would not trade jack because they would end up with like 6 people that still rooted for the sabres afterwards. I suspect it would be a mass exodus because nobody would think the sabres owners cared if they traded their franchise player without getting another guaranteed franchise player and then some more Edited September 30, 2020 by miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 This is what I think really happened Nyr: I am interested in jack. Will u take this? Buff: no thanks Nyr to media: we are making a run at jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Thorny said: They terminated his contact so he could do that. And they only terminated his contract because no one would trade for him. And they were attempting to trade him because he requested a trade this season officially. Correct...they terminated his contract because he didn't report to Roch. He later signed w/Tampa as FA. There was no trade. Just wanted to clarify that. No doubt it turned out to be a bad situation and hate to see that happen. We good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 14 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Or maybe... Mackenzie heard the rangers called about Eichel and decided to run with it because in the end he literally reported a giant nothingburger. It was 4 poorly worded tweets that ended up being nothing. So in essence it was BS. Eichel isn't being traded and to think otherwise is delusional. and they said Gretzky would never leave Edmonton................ Nothing is 'delusional" . Is it likely no, is it possible always. Rangers made an offer, Adams said no, that likely happened. But Adams also said he's not "shopping" Eichel. Doesn't mean with the right offer it couldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: and they said Gretzky would never leave Edmonton................ Nothing is 'delusional" . Is it likely no, is it possible always. Rangers made an offer, Adams said no, that likely happened. But Adams also said he's not "shopping" Eichel. Doesn't mean with the right offer it couldn't happen. Likely happened huh? Has it been confirmed that NYR actually made an offer? I understood it as NYR called and asked if Eichel is available/open to offers. Full stop. Nothing beyond that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Thorny said: They terminated his contact so he could do that. And they only terminated his contract because no one would trade for him. And they were attempting to trade him because he requested a trade this season officially. No team would trade for him with his contract, that's true. I think they wanted him to have a chance to go somewhere and play in the post season. I think Tampa wanted him all along and so the Sabres chose to waive him, he chose not to report, all of that played out so he could sign in Tampa... a team that both the Sabres and Bogosian knew would come calling as soon as his contract and the money associated with it were terminated. The entire situation orchestrated to trade an asset to an organization bypassing the normal rules. Sure Bogosian has to give up some money in the deal, but he's more interested in the Stanley Cup chance.. and look at that.. now he'll have a ring. One might hope that the favor done by Buffalo translates into some off-season favors... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LTS said: No team would trade for him with his contract, that's true. I think they wanted him to have a chance to go somewhere and play in the post season. I think Tampa wanted him all along and so the Sabres chose to waive him, he chose not to report, all of that played out so he could sign in Tampa... a team that both the Sabres and Bogosian knew would come calling as soon as his contract and the money associated with it were terminated. The entire situation orchestrated to trade an asset to an organization bypassing the normal rules. Sure Bogosian has to give up some money in the deal, but he's more interested in the Stanley Cup chance.. and look at that.. now he'll have a ring. One might hope that the favor done by Buffalo translates into some off-season favors... Lol. It won't. Edited September 30, 2020 by LGR4GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, LTS said: No team would trade for him with his contract, that's true. I think they wanted him to have a chance to go somewhere and play in the post season. I think Tampa wanted him all along and so the Sabres chose to waive him, he chose not to report, all of that played out so he could sign in Tampa... a team that both the Sabres and Bogosian knew would come calling as soon as his contract and the money associated with it were terminated. The entire situation orchestrated to trade an asset to an organization bypassing the normal rules. Sure Bogosian has to give up some money in the deal, but he's more interested in the Stanley Cup chance.. and look at that.. now he'll have a ring. One might hope that the favor done by Buffalo translates into some off-season favors... Yet another decision based on money and not hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, SwampD said: Yet another decision based on money and not hockey. Yes, but this was TB's decision, not the Sabres'. Bogo forced his way out because RK decided he couldn't play any more, not because the Sabres were trying to save $$. Now, if one wants to ask whether this was a poor decision by RK, or whether RK should've been able to get more out of Bogo (like he should've been able to do with Skinner) I think that's a legit question. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 13 hours ago, Thorny said: Erroneous. Bogo made the trade request. Probably because he was a healthy scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Now, if one wants to ask whether this was a poor decision by RK, or whether RK should've been able to get more out of Bogo (like he should've been able to do with Skinner) I think that's a legit question. I hope we're not going to see a narrative now about the Sabres squandering Zach ***** Bogosian. He didn't play better in Tampa and he couldn't stay in the lineup in Tampa either. When he did play, he was more successful because he was surrounded by better players. Period. End of story. The guy was an NHL defenceman here too, but we couldn't rely on him to stay in the lineup. Rightfully, we went out and got other players who could. They were better. He lost his job because of it. And then, instead of trying to get it back, he quit. ***** him. Edited September 30, 2020 by dudacek 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 This thread is still going, eh? That's as bad as someone quoting a forty year-old movie franchise for nostalgia and ease-of-recognition to garner... *waves hand* This is not the thread we're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Yes, but this was TB's decision, not the Sabres'. Bogo forced his way out because RK decided he couldn't play any more, not because the Sabres were trying to save $$. Now, if one wants to ask whether this was a poor decision by RK, or whether RK should've been able to get more out of Bogo (like he should've been able to do with Skinner) I think that's a legit question. I’ll just say that I’m not convinced that that is the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, SwampD said: Yet another decision based on money and not hockey. He was the Sabres FIFTH RH D-man on the depth chart. Clearly Botterill tried to trade him, but due to the contract couldn't find any takers. JBott & the Pegulas get enough criticism for moves that warrant criticism. Don't have to go after ones that don't move the needle. In a salary capped world, money & hockey are interrelated and they can't spend that kind of money on a guy that doesn't even get into the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 Eichel and Pegula(s) to NYR for Dolan and Panarin. Any takers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said: Eichel and Pegula(s) to NYR for Dolan and Panarin. Any takers? We lose in all of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 9:05 AM, PASabreFan said: Bianca Bogosian? I wonder how you and Radar have lasted this long. I honestly don't get the sentiment. Eichel is the one who will end your fandom? It’s not really Eichel. It’s everything thats happened since Darcy said “It may require some suffering.” The Eichel situation is more an exclamation point or final straw. Will I actually no longer be a fan of the Sabres? Probably not. I’ll always be a fan. Very frustrated w/ this franchise though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, nfreeman said: Yes, but this was TB's decision, not the Sabres'. Bogo forced his way out because RK decided he couldn't play any more, not because the Sabres were trying to save $$. Now, if one wants to ask whether this was a poor decision by RK, or whether RK should've been able to get more out of Bogo (like he should've been able to do with Skinner) I think that's a legit question. Bogosian was no longer a plan for the Sabres. No one is going to get more from Bogosian and no one has. He filled in with TB.. he'll be a UFA and I'm really curious if he ends up anywhere. In the end, the Sabres let him go to a team where he might have a shot at the childhood dream. That's doing an NHL vet a favor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) From dreger- allegedly. Edited September 30, 2020 by steveoath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, steveoath said: From dredger- allegedly. The perpetual rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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