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41 minutes ago, carpandean said:

Agreed.  As I've said before, since the season wasn't actually done, instead of separating it into "made it" and "missed it" teams, they separated them into "would have almost surely made it", "would have almost surely missed it" and "not sure whether they would have made it or not" teams.  The last group included the teams that would have been the lowest teams to make the playoffs and the highest teams to miss them (and be in the lottery).  Those teams are playing one shortened (best of 5) series to determine which is which.  The winners take the remaining 8 playoffs spots and the losers take the remaining 8 lottery spots.

The only problem (to me) with it is that they ran the lottery before the play-in round, so that when the unlikely event (24.4% chance of a team 8th or higher getting the #1 pick) actually happened, it felt much worse.  If they had just finished the play-in rounds, slotted the losers into the last 8 lottery slots and then held the lottery, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal.  Those teams would have not been in the official playoffs when the lottery winners were decided.

Note: I would also have preferred re-seeding the 8 losers based on regular season point %, worst-to-best to slot into the 8th-worst to 15th-worst slots.  As it sits, now, if a good regular-season team has a bad round, they will get the same 1/8 shot as the other 7 losers, instead of lower chance, as would normally happen in the lottery.  Even if the play-in round goes as expected, except Toronto loses to Columbus (they are seated higher based on a tiebreaker), then the Maple Leafs will have the same 12.5% chance of picking #1 as Montreal.  With the re-seeding, whichever team was seeded 12th would have gotten it, or better yet, if they hadn't already run the lottery , Toronto would instead have had a 1% chance overall of getting the #1 and even conditional on someone in 8-15 getting it, a 4% chance (vs. Montreal's 24.5% chance) of getting the #1.  An even worse scenario is if a team like Pittsburgh has a bad round.  In essence, they gave each team in 8-15 an equal 3.1% chance overall of getting #1, rather than 6% down to 1% based on regular season performance.

I agree. They never should've drawn before the play-in round was over.

The only thing I don't like is that the Rangers know they can win the Cup and still get the #1 pick because they have 'Canes pick.

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9 hours ago, Theana74 said:

Carter should be good to go for next year or whenever the season happens. He's a good guy who's had some medical issues. Excited to see what he can do with those issues sorted out

 

He’s definitely a leader with a history of being a good backup.

Ive changed my view of him somewhat since the eye thing came out. In the two-month stretch where he was dealing those issues he was truly god-awful - 0/6/4 with an .867 S% and a 4.19 GAA. Outside that stretch he was 12/9/0 .910 2.82.

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18 minutes ago, dudacek said:

He’s definitely a leader with a history of being a good backup.

Ive changed my view of him somewhat since the eye thing came out. In the two-month stretch where he was dealing those issues he was truly god-awful - 0/6/4 with an .867 S% and a 4.19 GAA. Outside that stretch he was 12/9/0 .910 2.82.

Botterill is to blame for not finding a suitable replacement when Hutton was going through his vision issue and Ullmark was injured. 

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51 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Botterill is to blame for not finding a suitable replacement when Hutton was going through his vision issue and Ullmark was injured. 

He needs to be fired immediately....oh wait, ...LOL

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1 hour ago, dudacek said:

He’s definitely a leader with a history of being a good backup.

Ive changed my view of him somewhat since the eye thing came out. In the two-month stretch where he was dealing those issues he was truly god-awful - 0/6/4 with an .867 S% and a 4.19 GAA. Outside that stretch he was 12/9/0 .910 2.82.

How do you reconcile the abysmal post all star break performance in 2019?  He was what 4-11 with a lackluster GA and poor SV%.  He is the streakiest goalie I’ve seen for the Sabres probably ever.  Like stealing games against the Kings to single handedly losing multiples for weeks on end. 

 I would not dispute a good guy, but honestly why have the Sabres not commented on the story that was revealed by Huttons camp themselves?  Could they look even worse if evidence suggests JB knew Hutton was seeking treatment and still played him?  Or is it possible that there is a discrepancy in what Hutton leaked to Lance.  Either way, he has a very friendly  buyout this offseason and if he cannot be packaged they need to execute this option.  The Sabres need to improve the position this offseason, not maintain status quo.  Especially with a plethora of options in both RFA and UFA and an advantageous buyers market.   There are no obligations to this guy, and unless Jack himself comes out and says he is a locker room guy we cannot live without, then Next.   

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It’s absurd a “playoff team” gets a crack at number one and Detroit falls to 4.  What a joke.  It definitely takes a toll on ones love for the sport.  

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4 hours ago, Weave said:

That was an actual fan post.  I'd encourage more of those, not dissuade them.

Apologies if this seemed antagonistic. There is an old rule in comedy that say you buy the premise, you buy the bit.   I don’t buy the premise, hence my response.  Meaning more propaganda.  I am however open to changing the opinion and more posts like this could sway me. 

   I don’t think Carter Hutton will help the Sabres in any way shape or form next year.  I think the Sabres should commit short term on a pending UFA and really challenge Linus, whom you qualify.  Carters AAV is not commensurate with his play since wearing a Sabres uniform.  If you believe in Linus as the answer then ink him to a 4 or 5 year deal and bring in another backup under $2m. 

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1 hour ago, Broken Ankles said:

How do you reconcile the abysmal post all star break performance in 2019?  He was what 4-11 with a lackluster GA and poor SV%.  He is the streakiest goalie I’ve seen for the Sabres probably ever.  Like stealing games against the Kings to single handedly losing multiples for weeks on end. 

 I would not dispute a good guy, but honestly why have the Sabres not commented on the story that was revealed by Huttons camp themselves?  Could they look even worse if evidence suggests JB knew Hutton was seeking treatment and still played him?  Or is it possible that there is a discrepancy in what Hutton leaked to Lance.  Either way, he has a very friendly  buyout this offseason and if he cannot be packaged they need to execute this option.  The Sabres need to improve the position this offseason, not maintain status quo.  Especially with a plethora of options in both RFA and UFA and an advantageous buyers market.   There are no obligations to this guy, and unless Jack himself comes out and says he is a locker room guy we cannot live without, then Next.   

This is completely a valid position.It was where I was prior to the eye stuff coming out and softening my take. It’s possible that’s not the full story, but it does fit the circumstances and his career has otherwise fit the profile of good backup - meaning 25-30 games a season.

Our problem is not really the backup position, either Hutton or Ullmark should be capable of carrying that load. The problem is in the starter’s position; we need to acquire a Markstrom or similar-level guy, or we need Linus to take the next step. I want to believe in Linus, and he is in the place in his career where goalies typically take a step.

We know Carter can’t be the starter.

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On 7/11/2020 at 11:52 PM, Theana74 said:

Carter should be good to go for next year or whenever the season happens. He's a good guy who's had some medical issues. Excited to see what he can do with those issues sorted out

 

sorry, i can't agree with you on this one. Hasn't been that good in his tenure with the Sabres, had a couple of hot streaks but not consistent enough.


Team CAN NOT  go into next season with Ullmark and Hutton tandem.

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23 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Botterill is to blame for not finding a suitable replacement when Hutton was going through his vision issue and Ullmark was injured. 

do we know that Botterill was told of the situation? or did Hutton not report it?

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45 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

do we know that Botterill was told of the situation? or did Hutton not report it?

Mike Bales knew about it and the Sabres sent him to a specialist.  If Botterill didn’t know, His GM Tenure was even more fouled up. 

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2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Mike Bales knew about it and the Sabres sent him to a specialist.  If Botterill didn’t know, His GM Tenure was even more fouled up. 

that is infuriating!  Imagine what Eichel is thinking, knowing he is home right now because of the incompetence of mgmt and its inability to replace a goalie who is having trouble tracking the puck!?

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25 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

that is infuriating!  Imagine what Eichel is thinking, knowing he is home right now because of the incompetence of mgmt and its inability to replace a goalie who is having trouble tracking the puck!?

He's thinking, "Oh, thank, God. I don't have to make the decision to opt out of playing."

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1 hour ago, SwampD said:

He's thinking, "Oh, thank, God. I don't have to make the decision to opt out of playing."

Seriously.  If there's a year that not being in it has a big silver lining, this is it.

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Just a wild thought but...

The NHL should of had a toilet bowl with bottom teams playing in a playoff format the winner gets the 1st pick, the runner up gets the 2nd, etc...

Everyone would have been interested in coming back and playing and fans watching hockey again.  

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36 minutes ago, JohnnyK said:

Just a wild thought but...

The NHL should of had a toilet bowl with bottom teams playing in a playoff format the winner gets the 1st pick, the runner up gets the 2nd, etc...

Everyone would have been interested in coming back and playing and fans watching hockey again.  

That a really good idea. Seriously.

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I’m not so sure if teams will like the distinction of winning the Piss Cup and the CBA wouldn’t allow it. That said, they could draw a line with 10-20 games left. Of those that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, the team that wins the most games for the rest of the season wins the 1st, the 2nd most games, the 2nd, etc. It would make it extremely hard to tank, but if a team did, it would make it competitive. Teams in play for a playoff spot wouldn’t qualify and would fall into draft order based on their end of the season record. No lottery. 
 

The issue with the trade deadline is, it’s almost like a date on the calendar teams officially give up. This would eliminate that as well. More butts would remain in the seat until the end of the season = more league revenue. 

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1 hour ago, JohnnyK said:

Just a wild thought but...

The NHL should of had a toilet bowl with bottom teams playing in a playoff format the winner gets the 1st pick, the runner up gets the 2nd, etc...

Everyone would have been interested in coming back and playing and fans watching hockey again.  

So, in this scenario, the most talented team gets the top pick?

Seems like the antithesis of how it’s supposed to work, but okay. Maybe we should give a playoff team the top pick while we are at it. 
 

The other 7 teams can come back and risk their health just to battle for picks 2-8. I’m sure the players would be super motivated. 

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6 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

So, in this scenario, the most talented team gets the top pick?

Seems like the antithesis of how it’s supposed to work, but okay. Maybe we should give a playoff team the top pick while we are at it. 
 

The other 7 teams can come back and risk their health just to battle for picks 2-8. I’m sure the players would be super motivated. 

Agreed. You can’t lengthen the season for players who aren’t playing in the CBA-approved playoffs. But you can assign their order based on how well they play in their remaining 10-15 games. Lol at the comment of giving the top pick to playoff team. It’s almost surreal.

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1 minute ago, kas23 said:

Agreed. You can’t lengthen the season for players who aren’t playing in the CBA-approved playoffs. But you can assign their order based on how well they play in their remaining 10-15 games. Lol at the comment of giving the top pick to playoff team. It’s almost surreal.

I know. I can’t wait until the Pens get upset in the whatever they are calling it round and get Lafreniere. Or NYR or MTL or CHI. 

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17 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

So, in this scenario, the most talented team gets the top pick?

Seems like the antithesis of how it’s supposed to work, but okay. Maybe we should give a playoff team the top pick while we are at it. 
 

The other 7 teams can come back and risk their health just to battle for picks 2-8. I’m sure the players would be super motivated. 

You mean the seventh worst team in the league gets the top pick?

What’s wrong with that?

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13 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:

So, in this scenario, the most talented team gets the top pick?

Wouldn’t @JohnnyK’s scenario end up being the best of the worst getting the pick? Instead of competing for the Cup, you have the bottom teams competing for the top pick? Johnny, am I smelling what you’re cooking?

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8 minutes ago, SwampD said:

You mean the seventh worst team in the league gets the top pick?

What’s wrong with that?

I think it’s wrong to assume the Sabres would’ve swept the floor with the other 6 teams on the way to claim that top pick. 
 

Weren’t we 1-3 against Ottawa? 

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1 minute ago, Andrew Amerk said:

I think it’s wrong to assume the Sabres would’ve swept the floor with the other 6 teams on the way to claim that top pick. 

Nobody is saying that the Sabres would win. It would be fun to watch a tournament of losers playing hockey for a reason, is all.

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Just now, SwampD said:

Nobody is saying that the Sabres would win. It would be fun to watch a tournament of losers playing hockey for a reason, is all.

I think if the league wanted to hold a Covid Cup, everyone should’ve been included, in fairness. 

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