LGR4GM Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Unless they shed cap, it will be extremely difficult to sign Cirelli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Unless they shed cap, it will be impossible to sign more than one of Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak Fixed it for you. The numbers are below. Tampa essentially needs to dump two $4 million-plus NTC veterans. Edited July 8, 2020 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 9:46 AM, dudacek said: History says Tampa should get something done, but man are they in trouble. They have 10 forwards and 3 defencemen under contract. They have to sign 5-7 players to fill out their roster. They have 5.4 million in cap space. Let’s say they promote three prospects or sign minimum wage vets to take care of half those slots. Then you are left with $3 million to re-sign or replace half your starting defence (Sergachev, Cernak, Shattenkirk) as well as Cirelli Every significant contract on their roster comes with a complete no-trade clause except Point and Killorn, who has a modified NTC. Let’s say they find a partner and move Killorn out for a pick. That leaves $7.5 to sign or replace Killorn, Shattenkirk, Sergachev, Cernak and Cirelli. If someone hit Cirelli with an $7 million offer sheet, what are they going to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Lots of people seem to think that TB will somehow get out of their current cap difficulty without too much pain, as they have always done in the past. I want to remind everyone what they actually did to get out of trouble last offseason. They traded away a 26 year old forward on a reasonable long term contract who went on to put up 72 pts in 69 games on his new team, in exchange for a mid 1st round pick. That was them successfully getting out of trouble without too much pain. This offseason, their situation is even worse. Edited July 8, 2020 by Curt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, Curt said: Lots of people seem to think that TB will somehow get out of their current cap difficulty without too much pain, as they have always done in the past. I want to remind everyone what they actually did to get out of trouble last offseason. They traded away a 26 year old forward on a reasonable long term contract who went on to put up 72 pts in 69 games on his new team, in exchange for a mid 1st round pick. That was them successfully getting out of trouble without too much pain. This offseason, their situation is even worse. I think their struggle with the cap is real. BriseBois basically inherited Stevie Y’s team and now has to deal with a bunch of NTCs. He apprenticed under Yzerman but he is new to the scenario facing him. He cannot keep that team together, good assets can be had. Leafs fans think Dubas is a cap genius but he gave the Canes Marleau and a first just to shed that salary. There are deals to be had this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 There is a name on this list(without a NMC/NTC) who has two years remaining on his current contract and he is still a RFA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Brawndo said: There is a name on this list(without a NMC/NTC) who has two years remaining on his current contract and he is still a RFA. I highly doubt they will trade Point before trading Cirelli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Curt said: Lots of people seem to think that TB will somehow get out of their current cap difficulty without too much pain, as they have always done in the past. I want to remind everyone what they actually did to get out of trouble last offseason. They traded away a 26 year old forward on a reasonable long term contract who went on to put up 72 pts in 69 games on his new team, in exchange for a mid 1st round pick. That was them successfully getting out of trouble without too much pain. This offseason, their situation is even worse. Yet, a situation we would all kill for, and your post highlights their embarrassment of riches. They traded away a guy who put up 6 less points than Jack Eichel and no one talks about it even being a *factor* for them. Insanity. Edited July 8, 2020 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: There is a name on this list(without a NMC/NTC) who has two years remaining on his current contract and he is still a RFA. 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: I highly doubt they will trade Point before trading Cirelli. They could get a better return and save more cap by trading Point. It has to be something they are considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Thorny said: Yet, a situation we would all kill for, and your post highlights their embarrassment of riches. They traded away a guy who put up 6 less points than Jack Eichel and no one talks about it even being a *factor* for them. Insanity. Well, I’m talking about cap situation, not talent. Buffalo is in a better cap situation this offseason, but obviously is in worse overall situation as a team/organization. For TB, having too many good players to afford is a good problem to have, but it’s still a problem. One which other teams will try to exploit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 hours ago, dudacek said: They could get a better return and save more cap by trading Point. It has to be something they are considering. What would point cost, Risto, 8, and Cozens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, sabresparaavida said: What would point cost, Risto, 8, and Cozens? Not with their cap issues. I don't think they would want Risto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 If I am talking to Tampa, Mitts and 8th are in the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 TB will absolutely NOT take Risto and his salary and there has to be serious doubt they'd take Mitts as he is unproven and seemingly not strong enough...it will take our 8th and Cozens and maybe even more and that is the sad truth..we had a awesome 2nd lien center and gave him away and now we are pretty much screwed. Getting a really good 2nd line center is really hard...just ask a bunch of other teams who like us are after that very same thing. It would seem silly to give up Cozens in any trade and most trades of any magnitude will probably see the other team ask for him. Jack is at his peak and we are wasting those years playing crappy hockey but giving up our future for today is also no answer. Sabres have a real tough decision here and either way they go it will hurt! And I also think TB will figure this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 TB will have to do something similar to last year to get out of their current cap issues. If we wait them out they will blink and someone will spring forward for pennies on the dollar. Patience is a virtue, or so I'm told. Let's see if Ky has it. If Dudley comes in they better cage him, as I don't think he is the patient type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sabre fan said: TB will absolutely NOT take Risto and his salary and there has to be serious doubt they'd take Mitts as he is unproven and seemingly not strong enough...it will take our 8th and Cozens and maybe even more and that is the sad truth..we had a awesome 2nd lien center and gave him away and now we are pretty much screwed. Getting a really good 2nd line center is really hard...just ask a bunch of other teams who like us are after that very same thing. It would seem silly to give up Cozens in any trade and most trades of any magnitude will probably see the other team ask for him. Jack is at his peak and we are wasting those years playing crappy hockey but giving up our future for today is also no answer. Sabres have a real tough decision here and either way they go it will hurt! And I also think TB will figure this out Oh, they most assuredly will, but it will probably weaken their team in the process. The question is, can we improve our team by helping them figure it out? Would you take Killorn or Johnson for a 3rd? Would you pay more? Cozens and 8 and next year’s first for Brayden Point? McDonough and Palat for Okposo and Pilut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sabre fan said: TB will absolutely NOT take Risto and his salary and there has to be serious doubt they'd take Mitts as he is unproven and seemingly not strong enough...it will take our 8th and Cozens and maybe even more and that is the sad truth..we had a awesome 2nd lien center and gave him away and now we are pretty much screwed. Getting a really good 2nd line center is really hard...just ask a bunch of other teams who like us are after that very same thing. It would seem silly to give up Cozens in any trade and most trades of any magnitude will probably see the other team ask for him. Jack is at his peak and we are wasting those years playing crappy hockey but giving up our future for today is also no answer. Sabres have a real tough decision here and either way they go it will hurt! And I also think TB will figure this out I don’t think it would cost that much, and there is no way you know that is the TRUTH. TB will figure it out like they did last offseason when they had to trade JT Miller for a semi protected 1st and a 3rd. Edited July 8, 2020 by Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Curt said: Well, I’m talking about cap situation, not talent. Buffalo is in a better cap situation this offseason, but obviously is in worse overall situation as a team/organization. For TB, having too many good players to afford is a good problem to have, but it’s still a problem. One which other teams will try to exploit. I know and understood that, I was just making a separate point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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