Tondas Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: You make excellent points but I have a different perspective on a Dudley hire and usage. Without a doubt he has had a long and distinguished career in the hockey business. Just as there are different stages in life there are also different stages in the work world. One way of looking at it as a vocational lifespan. It is appropriate and smart to assess and then adjust what your role is in a business that you have been involved in one way or the other for nearly three quarters of a century. You are right that Dudley has an immensely greater amount of experience than Adams for the GM position. But that doesn't necessarily mean that at this stage of his hockey life he should be the GM of the Sabres and would be better than Adams at this particular time. Sometimes new blood, energy and perspective can invigorate a stale operation. The role that I envision Dudley doing that best serves the organization is utilizing his expertise in scouting both in the pro and amateur ranks. I think it would be a mistake to place Dudley as a sidekick subordinate GM whose influence might benefit the inexperienced new GM. That is a recipe for an office disaster because it is too tempting for the oldster to dominate the youngster and create an atmosphere of conflict and resentment. This is a critical offseason for this meandering franchise. My optimistic view is if the organization makes a few judicious personnel decisions it can uplift not only the team but also the exasperated fan base. If it doesn't make the right decisions this franchise will continue to be irrelevant and increase the level of indifference by its fading fan base. Great points as well. I may be guilty of exactly what you said, "That is a recipe for an office disaster because it is too tempting for the oldster to dominate the youngster and create an atmosphere of conflict and resentment." P.S. I'm glad I'm retired!!, and maybe I should be. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Tondas said: Great points as well. I may be guilty of exactly what you said, "That is a recipe for an office disaster because it is too tempting for the oldster to dominate the youngster and create an atmosphere of conflict and resentment." P.S. I'm glad I'm retired!!, and maybe I should be. ? Whether you are retired or not accumulated wisdom should not go wasted. Some people are wise beyond their years; while others are wise because of their years. ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tondas said: Great points as well. I may be guilty of exactly what you said, "That is a recipe for an office disaster because it is too tempting for the oldster to dominate the youngster and create an atmosphere of conflict and resentment." P.S. I'm glad I'm retired!!, and maybe I should be. ? We have that in my office where I am disrespectful and get a talking to if I disagree with older office members... so now I do it more because I am sick and tired of "well that's how we've done it in the past". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Dudley or not to Dudley ... that is the question lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: We have that in my office where I am disrespectful and get a talking to if I disagree with older office members... so now I do it more because I am sick and tired of "well that's how we've done it in the past". I'm not directing my comments to how you respond in your office because I am not in position to fully know what the work environment is. What I can say in a general sense is that sometimes the reason why people at work aren't fully heard is due to the presentation. If one comes off as too dismissive of the other individual's opinions because of the other person's age or time at the company then it shouldn't be surprising that the counter response would be defensive and negative. Sometimes even body language can be a block to communicating one's view before a word is even spoken. As you noted it goes both ways. What's become a lost art is the ability to listen. And that is an art that is an essential ingredient in making good company decisions. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 IMO I think Adams will do well in most of the business side of things but could maybe use help in some areas that Dudley might excel in. Adams is similar to Duds in slot of ways, from beginning as a player all the way up the food chain in management, different only in experience. Adams pretty much ran the Harbor Center and in doing so was hands on in many aspects including teaching and evaluating young players. Where I think he could use Rick's expertise is in area such as dealing with other GM's and agents and his way of scouting. I'm sure Dudley can ease him into how to deal with each GM or agent. How to negotiate a trade or contract. Showing him what he looks for when scouting a player, the ins and outs and behind the scenes type of things that experience gives you. More of an advisor/ teacher, rather than making decisions just someone to say "well, I did it this way and it worked 90% of the time". "Your way might work on Waddell or JBot but don't try that on Yzerman." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 So No Dudley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 BLOODY HELL!! THEY ARE BIGGER IDIOTS THAN I THOUGHT!! THIS IS THE AWAKENING OF ANGRY NS!! YOUS HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) As I've been saying since the blood letting, KP/TP have zero idea what they are doing. Is Dudley the right mentor for their new approach, I have no idea. However to not even consider him is mind boggling. They fired Jbot because they felt he had a bloated organization and wasn't getting the job done. That is perfectly reasonable. However, stripping the organization to the bone and letting complete unknowns run the asylum without some kind of experienced consultant or mentor is beyond foolish. All hope is pretty much lost. Can't wait until he gets raked over the coals in his first trade. Edited July 8, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) This one seemed like a gimme. Dudley designed the exact scouting model they want to implement He had interested in joining the Sabres. But hey they hired an accountant today! (No disrespect to any accountants here) Edited July 8, 2020 by Brawndo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brawndo said: This one seemed like a gimme. Dudley designed the exact scouting model they want to implement He had interested in joining the Sabres. But hey they hired an accountant today! (No disrespect to any accountants here) They don't miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Never expected them to bring him in. No chance. TP has doubled down and only has certain trusted people inside. Adams and Kruger will be running the show for many years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 FFS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: So No Dudley 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Post of the forever!! I love Freddie!! *200 degrees that's why they call me Mr. Farenheit* ... *If you wanna have a good time just give me a call* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: This one seemed like a gimme. Dudley designed the exact scouting model they want to implement He had interested in joining the Sabres. But hey they hired an accountant today! (No disrespect to any accountants here) This piece of news is pretty disappointing, can't lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Brawndo said: So No Dudley Very disappointing. Bringing him into the fold, even for just 2-3 seasons, to help Adams as a sounding board at minimum seems like such an easy decision to make. Wonder who it was that nixed the idea. We're all likely assuming this is on the Pegulas, but could it be Adams or Krueger that didn't want the input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Taro T said: Very disappointing. Bringing him into the fold, even for just 2-3 seasons, to help Adams as a sounding board at minimum seems like such an easy decision to make. Wonder who it was that nixed the idea. We're all likely assuming this is on the Pegulas, but could it be Adams or Krueger that didn't want the input? Who says the idea was even around to be nixed? The fans are the only ones linking Dudley to the Sabres in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, darksabre said: Who says the idea was even around to be nixed? The fans are the only ones linking Dudley to the Sabres in any way. @john wawrow Tweeted in that same thread that Dudley had interest in coming to the Sabres. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, darksabre said: Who says the idea was even around to be nixed? The fans are the only ones linking Dudley to the Sabres in any way. Seriously? There are media reports out there that Dudley would like to take on a role with the Sabres. And to not even talk to him doesn't imply somebody with a say in the matter said 'no?' And, if they DID talk to him, then for the AP tweet to be correct (and John is correct FAR more than he isn't) then somebody definitely nixed the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 This is a bit disappointing. I definitely want them to bring in someone with a good amount of high level FO experience. Maybe Dudley just wasn’t a good fit for whatever reason though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 Not surprised at all about Dudley. Just wait until the off-season. I wouldn’t at all be surprised, if Adams is swindled both in F/A and trades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: @john wawrow Tweeted in that same thread that Dudley had interest in coming to the Sabres. This is where the disappointment stems from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Curt said: This is a bit disappointing. I definitely want them to bring in someone with a good amount of high level FO experience. Maybe Dudley just wasn’t a good fit for whatever reason though. If Dudley isn't a " good fit" then there's still problems with organization. A guy like Dudley doesn't come along very often, you make him fit when you are in dire need of his assets. Edited July 8, 2020 by MakeSabresGrr8Again 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Curt said: This is a bit disappointing. I definitely want them to bring in someone with a good amount of high level FO experience. Maybe Dudley just wasn’t a good fit for whatever reason though. No Canadians allowed in the front office, Botterill ruined it for everyone ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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