inkman Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, SDS said: I don’t have good knowledge of that. I would have said the NFL and their real estate holdings. Fair enough. I'm thinking their payables were outweighing their income and they hit the eject button to remain financially solvent. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you can put the pieces together. And I don't mean that in a snarky PA kinda way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 I value the draft and scouting, of course, but i can't be convinced that you need 21 scouts or whatever it is the Sabres had on the amateur side. The Sabres since being owned by the Pegula's have consistently been among the leaders in the NHL in the amount of scouts they have with literally nothing to show for it. And Botterill never even gave them a real chance to maximize the return on all these scouts. I forget who wrote it on twitter, but during Botterill's three years as GM, the Sabres have not made 7 selections in any of his drafts, and in the next three years, they don't even start with 7 selections. For the 2021 draft, they are starting with just five picks. A great read about the evolution of scouting and modern day scouting i thought was this article in the ringer for anyone interested: https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/3/8/18256355/what-we-learned-from-73000-never-before-seen-mlb-scouting-reports-cincinnati-reds 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Reino23 said: I value the draft and scouting, of course, but i can't be convinced that you need 21 scouts or whatever it is the Sabres had on the amateur side. The Sabres since being owned by the Pegula's have consistently been among the leaders in the NHL in the amount of scouts they have with literally nothing to show for it. And Botterill never even gave them a real chance to maximize the return on all these scouts. I forget who wrote it on twitter, but during Botterill's three years as GM, the Sabres have not made 7 selections in any of his drafts, and in the next three years, they don't even start with 7 selections. For the 2021 draft, they are starting with just five picks. A great read about the evolution of scouting and modern day scouting i thought was this article in the ringer for anyone interested: https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/3/8/18256355/what-we-learned-from-73000-never-before-seen-mlb-scouting-reports-cincinnati-reds I only read the final instalment, but that is very thought-provoking stuff. The Astros going from 60 scouts to 18, the inherent flaws in in-person scouting and how their data is compiled, and the difference in what video scouting shows today as compared to OSP’s era, wow! Thanks for posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Reino23 said: I value the draft and scouting, of course, but i can't be convinced that you need 21 scouts or whatever it is the Sabres had on the amateur side. The Sabres since being owned by the Pegula's have consistently been among the leaders in the NHL in the amount of scouts they have with literally nothing to show for it. And Botterill never even gave them a real chance to maximize the return on all these scouts. I forget who wrote it on twitter, but during Botterill's three years as GM, the Sabres have not made 7 selections in any of his drafts, and in the next three years, they don't even start with 7 selections. For the 2021 draft, they are starting with just five picks. A great read about the evolution of scouting and modern day scouting i thought was this article in the ringer for anyone interested: https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/3/8/18256355/what-we-learned-from-73000-never-before-seen-mlb-scouting-reports-cincinnati-reds Good stuff, thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Video scouting, some not all, is not bad. Also we have better video now than we did 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Video scouting, some not all, is not bad. Also we have better video now than we did 10 years ago. I really think the days of finding that diamond in the rough are gone. You don’t have that prime talent wallowing away in obscurity. Every league of value, any one of us can find the games online if we try hard enough. So if you can efficiently mine that video, find the guys you want to see, and then get the boots on the ground, why not go with that approach. I think it’s definitely possible, they just need to hire the right people now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 I don’t care what type of scouting they go to, as long as they don’t even think about drafting a blue liner in the next couple of drafts. Should be nothing but forwards, and sprinkle in a goalie or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: I don’t care what type of scouting they go to, as long as they don’t even think about drafting a blue liner in the next couple of drafts. Should be nothing but forwards, and sprinkle in a goalie or two. They could just pick players blindfolded for all I care. They just need to actually get the job done ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Worth pointing out that nothing is stopping us from hiring more (capable) scouts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Is this actually confirmed? This is a lot based on one tweet that's seemingly an opinion.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Trettioåtta said: Worth pointing out that nothing is stopping us from hiring more (capable) scouts Money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Thorny said: Is this actually confirmed? This is a lot based on one tweet that's seemingly an opinion.. Purely speculation. All that has been confirmed is the scouting department will be smaller & there will be overlap between the analytics & scouting departments. And analytics will have a greater role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Purely speculation. All that has been confirmed is the scouting department will be smaller & there will be overlap between the analytics & scouting departments. And analytics will have a greater role. They determined this through the eye-test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) On 6/16/2020 at 3:11 PM, WildCard said: What did the scouting staff do to show that bolstering it to 22 people was worth the investment? Finish dead last a bunch of times and barely above dead last a few others? Regier did pretty well using mostly video scouting back then and there is far more capability with it 10 years later. I can't say anything bad about it, it kind of was overdue in my opinion. Clinging to the "we have always done it that way" notion just because that is they way scouting staffs have always been run doesn't make much sense when you have those results to show from it. Edited June 19, 2020 by matter2003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Scouting dept moving to Tik-Tok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Purely speculation. All that has been confirmed is the scouting department will be smaller & there will be overlap between the analytics & scouting departments. And analytics will have a greater role. Unfortunately, there are not many fancy stats available at the junior level for an analytics dept. to process. Junior teams have limited resources and will be in a more difficult situation if they cannot play or sell tickets. I guess your analytics guys could watch tons of video and compile their own data. Central scouting also compiles lists and they could use that as a starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: What did the scouting staff do to show that bolstering it to 22 people was worth the investment? Finish dead last a bunch of times and barely above dead last a few others? Regier did pretty well using mostly video scouting back then and there is far more capability with it 10 years later. I can't say anything bad about it, it kind of was overdue in my opinion. Clinging to the "we have always done it that way" notion just because that is they way scouting staffs have always been run doesn't make much sense when you have those results to show from it. Regier did very well prior to video scouting (w/ the exception of a lot of 1st round misses, which still IMHO seem to be more a function of philosophy from his bosses on how to build a team in a pre-salary cap era rather than his purely missing on available higher end talent), but really tailed off IMHO after video scouting began. Just because Murray & Botterill never took advantage of a plethora of resources doesn't mean that paying $9/month for YouTube Channel & giving some interns college credit hours is exactly the way to go either. ? (Realizing you weren't suggesting taking it to that far an extreme. ? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.