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Sabres Announce GM Jason Botterill has been Fired. Kevyn Adams Named GM


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10 minutes ago, SDS said:

and what is this narrative?

A different take on this is that the position isn't easy to fill and like NFL QBs, scouted by the best of the best, more fail than succeed.

That they've been grooming him for this for a decade, he's a tireless worker, he worked his way up from nothing, he's a "people person" who brings people together, he understands all aspects of running the team because he's worked in all corners of it, he's a Local Boy, etc...

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I have been vocal about JBOT's poor performance and I have been fearful to leave him at the helm in a contract year as a lame duck GM - He was likely to waste more assets in desperation.  The rest of the league knows how to play him - as if the ROR trade had a hangover effect. 

What I do not like is the disfunction once again of endorsing someone, then firing him, and replacing him from the inside.  Kim Pegula goes out and endorses Bottrill in public, and even alienates the fans with her comments while doing so.  Three weeks later, based on more "candid conversations" they decide to part ways with Botterill.    Bizzare!

  • Kim 3 weeks ago on Boterill staying for his 4th year:  “I realize, maybe it’s not popular with the fans, but we have to do the things that we feel are right,” she said at the time. “We have a little bit more information than maybe a fan does, some inner workings that we see some positives in.”
  • Kim today:  “This morning, we informed Jason Botterill he will no longer be the General Manager of the Sabres. This decision was made after many candid discussions with Jason during a full review of our hockey operation. We recognized we have philosophical differences regarding how best to put ourselves in a position to compete for a Stanley Cup. So, we decided to make this change."

It would have made more sense to have the "candid conversations" first, then decide on what to do. 

Maybe Adams and Krueger will work well together and the team will start to rise up?   This sequence of events leads me to believe that the Kim Pegula management style is "Shoot, Ready, AIM".    Every time she talks she sounds like she just read something new in an MBA book.   I do not get the sense that she is a skilled or a natural leader.

I just hope they get lucky again, like they did with McDermott and Beane, but I  am not at all convinced that Krueger/Adams have that same pedigree or potential. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I have been vocal about JBOT's poor performance and I have been fearful to leave him at the helm in a contract year as a lame duck GM - He was likely to waste more assets in desperation.  The rest of the league knows how to play him - as if the ROR trade had a hangover effect. 

What I do not like is the disfunction once again of endorsing someone, then firing him, and replacing him from the inside.  Kim Pegula goes out and endorses Bottrill in public, and even alienates the fans with her comments while doing so.  Three weeks later, based on more "candid conversations" they decide to part ways with Botterill.    Bizzare!

  • Kim 3 weeks ago on Boterill staying for his 4th year:  “I realize, maybe it’s not popular with the fans, but we have to do the things that we feel are right,” she said at the time. “We have a little bit more information than maybe a fan does, some inner workings that we see some positives in.”
  • Kim today:  “This morning, we informed Jason Botterill he will no longer be the General Manager of the Sabres. This decision was made after many candid discussions with Jason during a full review of our hockey operation. We recognized we have philosophical differences regarding how best to put ourselves in a position to compete for a Stanley Cup. So, we decided to make this change."

It would have made more sense to have the "candid conversations" first, then decide on what to do. 

Maybe Adams and Krueger will work well together and the team will start to rise up?   This sequence of events leads me to believe that the Kim Pegula management style is "Shoot, Ready, AIM".    Every time she talks she sounds like she just read something new in an MBA book.   I do not get the sense that she is a skilled or a natural leader.

I just hope they get lucky again, like they did with McDermott and Beane, but I  am not at all convinced that Krueger/Adams have that same pedigree or potential. 

 

Maybe they did have the candid conversations, JBOT said one thing and they agreed with it then he came back and said "Well, I rethought this and here is what I want  to do instead" and they were like "Nope, we don't like that." Or maybe  JBOT wasn't being completely honest with them in regards to what he wanted to do or the full scope of it. Could be a lot of reasons behind the change.

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9 minutes ago, Cascade Youth said:

That they've been grooming him for this for a decade, he's a tireless worker, he worked his way up from nothing, he's a "people person" who brings people together, he understands all aspects of running the team because he's worked in all corners of it, he's a Local Boy, etc...

Except that's not how Brandon got the GM & eventual Team President roles.  Aging Ralph Wilson installed Tom Donahoe as Team President (because Ralph knew at his age he couldn't handle the role full time) when he was brought in as GM.    When Ralph decided he didn't want an outsider leading his team anymore, that's when he turned to the marketer that got the boxes sold to make the new lease viable.  Brandon's background & story was far more Larry Quinn than Kevyn Adams.

Hoping Adam's can grow into the job quickly.  Fearing that my reason for not being fully on board with canning Botterill has come to fruition.  Time will tell.

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Well. Obviously it's much too early to say whether Adams will be good or bad. He certainly doesn't have the picks/assets to play with (like GMTM had). But he does have a lot of RFAs that he can move about or let walk. I've defended JBot more than my fair share, but that's mainly because he wanted to ice a fast team and he wanted to make ROC a stable place to play for incoming youth (and let's face it, I picture him as GM Lobot and how cool is that?). And for vision to become reality takes some time. Some time has passed and his execution wasn't there.

Now, GM Kevyn gets his 3 years to mold the roster to his liking and his approach. So now we're truly off the Eichel-prime timeline and into the Dahlin-timeline in terms of one-ice talent. Adams does get the opportunity to represent the Sabres for the Lottery drawing, and I hope for his and our sakes the balls bounce favorably and we're at 1-2-3, rather than 8th again.

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9 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I just hope they get lucky again, like they did with McDermott and Beane, but I  am not at all convinced that Krueger/Adams have that same pedigree or potential. 

This bit from your post prompted me to think that the Kruegams tandem may - in the Pegulas' mind - be akin to the McBeane pairing.

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55 minutes ago, Ottosmagic13 said:

This just makes them seem like they (the Pegulas) have no idea what they are doing. Not two weeks ago Kim had a presser saying they were sticking with Botts. He must have done something real stupid. 

 

I'll wait and see this develop. Current threat level Orange - Skeptical. 

I agree with this. If you were going to fire him, then it should have been done a while ago.  Once you said you are keeping him, then keep him.

And I'm personally not someone who will never be happy with the Pegulas.  I have thought for the last year or 2 that it is becoming apparent they aren't good at running a team....but I also thought that if you are going to stay with Botts, then just stick with him---the worst thing you can do is keep changing your mind on things.

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15 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Maybe they did have the candid conversations, JBOT said one thing and they agreed with it then he came back and said "Well, I rethought this and here is what I want  to do instead" and they were like "Nope, we don't like that." Or maybe  JBOT wasn't being completely honest with them in regards to what he wanted to do or the full scope of it. Could be a lot of reasons behind the change.

Maybe Shmaybe, we can dream of "maybe's"  but the facts remain the Sabres front office has been lousy since The Pegula's have come on board.     

Good leaders have a vision, they know what they want, they know their people, they build organizations that breeds loyalty and commitment, were everyone is locked in.   This does not describe the Sabres under Kim Pegula. 

Poor leaders, like Kim Pegula, will consistently yield poor performance and high turnover.   Either Botterill is the right guy and they see things that we fans don't, or not.  Her credibility is ZERO.  No maybes about that.  

I will pray for more good luck. 

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4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

This bit from your post prompted me to think that the Kruegams tandem may - in the Pegulas' mind - be akin to the McBeane pairing.

That nickname is going to need some serious work.

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14 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Maybe they did have the candid conversations, JBOT said one thing and they agreed with it then he came back and said "Well, I rethought this and here is what I want  to do instead" and they were like "Nope, we don't like that." Or maybe  JBOT wasn't being completely honest with them in regards to what he wanted to do or the full scope of it. Could be a lot of reasons behind the change.

Maybe Pilut leaving was the kiss of death because Botterill was clueless about it?

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1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said:

What on earth could have changed the owners' tune? Nothing has happened

Lol maybe jason had had them sold on the Pilut top 4 plan and then he left and they realized that the excess of defensemen that was gonna help our top six turned into a normal number of defensemen plus only a 4th rounder.

In all seriousness, it sounded like they were pretty close to firing JB, then Eichel aired his grievances, then yet another Sabre (Pilut) decided to bail -- so Pilut really could've been the last straw.

 

1 hour ago, WildCard said:

Given what we've been hearing/reading about the Pegual's, if he has been there that long and has no experience, sounds like they went and got a puppet 

I wouldn't say puppet, but I do think RK is playing the McD role and Adams is playing the Beane role.

 

59 minutes ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

Too soon:  there are a lot of RFAs and a handful of key UFAs to sign for this upcoming season; Botts finally was out from under the years of crap contracts signed by previous GMs; why wait all this time to fire a GM that had just gotten to the point he was finally able to operate without the fully burdened weight of previous managers

Too late: what changed from the beginning of this season until the end?   The '19-20 Sabres were always a playoff bubble team, and that's exactly where they finished.  Why keep your GM all season when you have several key negotiations coming up?  

I can be satisfied.  It just requires competence, a high level of performance, and critical thinking from team ownership all the way down to equipment managers.  Unfortunately that has been in short supply lately...

No.  Narrowly missing the 24-team pandemic-driven playoffs does not mean they were a bubble team.

 

29 minutes ago, Don Dokken said:

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/02-14-sabres-vice-president-of-business-administration-kevyn-adams
 

Adams on WGR back in February. Not exactly any clues in there about how he’d run a team — but, frankly, as someone who thought Botterill came across as an idiot in every interview he ever did, I can already tell I’ll find Adams refreshing

Adams has always interviewed well.  I have tended to discount that quality because he's been part of a franchise that has delivered consistently terrible results.

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10 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

This bit from your post prompted me to think that the Kruegams tandem may - in the Pegulas' mind - be akin to the McBeane pairing.

This is basically what I'm seeing. They're really happy with the model and the ethos of the Bills right now, so why wouldn't they want that same model on the Sabres? The Bills are efficient and effective, the Sabres are a convoluted and useless mess.

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I honestly don't understand people having an issue with Kim's statement about JBots a month ago. You think the owners are going to give us a candid play-by-play of their sentiments, and drop hints they might not be happy with the GM?

Short of being ready to fire him, the statement Kim made is the only acceptable statement to make about an employee, in any organization. It boggles my mind that this isn't understood. Reality TV culture, maybe?

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Also, nhl insiders are beyond useless unless providing gossip they were told

None of them had jason getting fired, and all of their analysis settled on it being the players fault for the most part. Just useless, uninteresting analysis, rarely more than 20% correct/accurate/complete in scope 

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10 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
  • Kim 3 weeks ago on Boterill staying for his 4th year:  “I realize, maybe it’s not popular with the fans, but we have to do the things that we feel are right,” she said at the time. “We have a little bit more information than maybe a fan does, some inner workings that we see some positives in.”

The owner's vote of confidence is rarely a good thing. It could have as easily have been "JBot is our GM. We wanted to wait for the NHL's decision on handling the season and playoffs for this year, and then we'll do a full end-of-year review with GM JBot and other members of our staff, just like we always do."

It didn't need to include anything about unpopularity with fans or we know some inner information... It's ok to say "We're taking our time" especially this year where everything was in flux and still is, season/playoff/draft-wise.

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2 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said:

I honestly don't understand people having an issue with Kim's statement about JBots a month ago. You think the owners are going to give us a candid play-by-play of their sentiments, and drop hints they might not be happy with the GM?

Short of being ready to fire him, the statement Kim made is the only acceptable statement to make about an employee, in any organization. It boggles my mind that this isn't understood. Reality TV culture, maybe?

Well, I agree with the bolded -- but why did they make the statement about keeping JB to begin with?  There was no need to say anything about him at that time, or at least nothing beyond "we're evaluating the organization and will make an announcement when that process is complete."

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Just now, mjd1001 said:

Not too joke too much, but give it a month or two with Adams at the helm...if major moves are not made soon, there will be people calling for this.

 

It will take more than a couple months probably. The regular league off-season won't happen until September probably. 

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1 minute ago, darksabre said:

This is basically what I'm seeing. They're really happy with the model and the ethos of the Bills right now, so why wouldn't they want that same model on the Sabres? The BIlls are efficient and effective, the Sabres are a convoluted and useless mess.

Remember though, the Bills model has an inexperienced HC & an inexperienced GM but both have a TON of experienced assistants.  There's at least 1 former GM working for Beane & at least 1 former HC working for McDermott.  The Sabres don't have anything close to that.  But if they did bring that kind of support in, I'd be a lot more encouraged.

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A lot of speculation here, but.....

Maybe Botts asked for his 'release'?  I think a common thought was that if the Sabres don't make the playoffs next year he was going to be gone for sure...and maybe he just thought he'd be too much of a lame duck...and asked out?

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Just now, Taro T said:

Remember though, the Bills model has an inexperienced HC & an inexperienced GM but both have a TON of experienced assistants.  There's at least 1 former GM working for Beane & at least 1 former HC working for McDermott.  The Sabres don't have anything close to that.  But if they did bring that kind of support in, I'd be a lot more encouraged.

Mike Gillis. 

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2 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Well, I agree with the bolded -- but why did they make the statement about keeping JB to begin with?  There was no need to say anything about him at that time, or at least nothing beyond "we're evaluating the organization and will make an announcement when that process is complete."

I think the bolded would lead to nothing but speculation. I hadn't considered why they felt moved to make a statement in the first place.

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