SDS Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Non traditional, no more hiring AGMs to be GM I guess. People they know well and trust like Adams. They gave too much leeway to GMTM and Botterill and got burned. Disagreement on contracts namely the term given to Eichel and Skinner, Botterill did not want to do either. Could you please rephrase? That’s confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, dudacek said: I’m hoping it means people with the Bettman stamp of approval. It better not mean hiring a baseball guy. Although that did work for the Chicago Bulls. Wasn't Botterill the only one league recommended? Are there hires besides Adams to be GM where we might see this new stated philosophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Non traditional, no more hiring AGMs to be GM I guess. People they know well and trust like Adams. They gave too much leeway to GMTM and Botterill and got burned. Disagreement on contracts namely the term given to Eichel and Skinner, Botterill did not want to do either. Botterill did not want to give Eichel the best contract on the team because it was for too long, and he didn’t want to give Skinner the worst contract on the team for the same reason. That’s...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Non traditional, no more hiring AGMs to be GM I guess. People they know well and trust like Adams. They gave too much leeway to GMTM and Botterill and got burned. Disagreement on contracts namely the term given to Eichel and Skinner, Botterill did not want to do either. Hahahaha so Botterill's best value deal, he didn't want to hand out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Thorny said: Wasn't Botterill the only one league recommended? Are there hires besides Adams to be GM where we might see this new stated philosophy? Ive never heard MUrray was league-recommended, but Pat Lafontaine certainly was, and he hired MUrray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Botterill did not want to give Eichel the best contract on the team because it was for too long, and he didn’t want to give Skinner the worst contract on the team for the same reason. That’s...interesting. He's so risk averse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, SDS said: Could you please rephrase? That’s confusing. Botterill is not a big believer in giving long term in contracts. He feels it hamstrings teams In the long run. Wanted to go shorter with both Jack And Skinner. With Skinner mentioned he wanted a shorter deal for a larger amount of money. Pegula overruled him in both cases and went max term. The Eichel Deal was considered one of his successes, if this is true, it’s another nail in Botterill‘s Coffin as Pegula smartly overruled him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Brawndo said: Botterill is not a big believer in giving long term in contracts. He feels it hamstrings teams In the long run. Wanted to go shorter with both Jack And Skinner. With Skinner mentioned he wanted a shorter deal for a larger amount of money. Pegula overruled him in both cases and went max term. The Eichel Deal was considered one of his successes, if this is true, it’s another nail in Botterill‘s Coffin as Pegula smartly overruled him Haha. Especially for the bolded portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, dudacek said: Botterill did not want to give Eichel the best contract on the team because it was for too long, and he didn’t want to give Skinner the worst contract on the team for the same reason. That’s...interesting. Well he’s batting .500 on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, shrader said: Well he’s batting .500 on that one Could you imagine if Eichel was in a spot like Sam right now? I'll take my chances that Skinner starts steaming hams again. Edited June 17, 2020 by Thorny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 Also in a nod to @PASabreFan. Friedman mentioned that Regier was not used to the level of input he got from ownership when the Pegulas took over . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: The two teams that most abased themselves in the you-know-what. Not a coincidence. Meanwhile Edmonton is much improved as they have hired a competent experienced GM and Buffalo continues its path of futility. It has nothing to do with the tank. If you hire competent GMs good things happen. We have 4 incompetent hires in a row. 4 executives who were first timers. Lafontaine, Murray, Botteril, and Adams. This is the recipe for failure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Could you imagine if Eichel was in a spot like Sam right now? I'll take my chances that Skinner starts steaming hams again. I’d have fired him the very second he signed Eichel to a bridge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Botterill is not a big believer in giving long term in contracts. He feels it hamstrings teams In the long run. Wanted to go shorter with both Jack And Skinner. With Skinner mentioned he wanted a shorter deal for a larger amount of money. Pegula overruled him in both cases and went max term. The Eichel Deal was considered one of his successes, if this is true, it’s another nail in Botterill‘s Coffin as Pegula smartly overruled him Did this come from 31 thoughts, or you? If the latter, what else ya got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 That's an incredible tweet from EJ. Not just what he said but that he said it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Did this come from 31 thoughts, or you? If the latter, what else ya got? 31 Thoughts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, SDS said: What does non-NHL people even mean? Thomas the sales manager from the Mercedes dealership. Richard the general manager from Horizon Yachts in Florida. Harry the cabana boy who resuscitated their Ashera cat Derrick three weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Also in a nod to @PASabreFan. Friedman mentioned that Regier was not used to the level of input he got from ownership when the Pegulas took over . Yep. And the word he attributed to Darcy was interference from ownership. Not input. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 This podcast was great. Juicy stuff we never hear from the local media. Brawndo presents more inside info. on the Sabres than the Buffalo media does. I'm serious. The lasting image I have from the podcast was one of them envisioning a Pegula bubble, the owners with both hands on the wheel, them and Kevyn and Ralph, untraditional hires, against the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, dudacek said: Adams doesn’t have to be good to be better than Jason, all he needs is the right gust of wind. Hire that man! https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53072756 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 I truly believe in my gut that the Buffalo Sabres will never be good again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: This podcast was great. Juicy stuff we never hear from the local media. Brawndo presents more inside info. on the Sabres than the Buffalo media does. I'm serious. The lasting image I have from the podcast was one of them envisioning a Pegula bubble, the owners with both hands on the wheel, them and Kevyn and Ralph, untraditional hires, against the world. I agree so many juicy tidbits which we don’t get from local media. For me one takeaway was that agents were negotiating with Botterill as recently as a few days ago. Then silence. So maybe there was a “pitch” by JB of how to improve this offseason which was met with resistance. Maybe his vision including keeping players like Carter Hutton and others we’re not in the plans of Kruger or Adams. Maybe Adams who has no obligations or attachments to certain players recommended moving on a player such as Mitts. I also found it interesting that Adams traveled with the team on a road trip which raised eyebrows amongst the insiders. Very worthwhile. Thanks @Brawndo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 The other interesting comment was on Rick Dudley. That should excite a few SabreSpacers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, shrader said: People really need to move past this crap. At this point, they’ve been married for 27 years and have three kids. That doesn’t exactly mesh well with the “current girlfriend” implication you’re throwing out there. You guys don’t like him, fine, but there’s no reason to get all personal like this. Stick to the hockey. It was a hypothetical, not a literal. You need to move past that crap of taking it literal, and realize it was hypothetical. And yes, it has to do with hockey, since she’s the President of the Sabres. Would she retain the role if Terry left her tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 56 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said: It was a hypothetical, not a literal. You need to move past that crap of taking it literal, and realize it was hypothetical. And yes, it has to do with hockey, since she’s the President of the Sabres. Would she retain the role if Terry left her tomorrow? The hypothetical just happens to be sexist trope. Congrats on either not realizing it or disingenuously pretending it isn't. I wonder how much longer any male in her position would get before the labels of "incompetence" started. Cue the denials... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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