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On 3/1/2021 at 7:17 AM, LTS said:

I think if you call something a vaccine it evokes images of absolute prevention and when it fails to prevent people will use that as claims of its being ineffective, useless, or worse.

Vaccines have never, ever been 100% effective.  They can be effective in stopping a virus within a population, but they've never been 100% effective among 100% of individuals.  Flu vaccines are only 40-60% effective.  It does appear that Covid vaccines, while not 100% effective in preventing illness, are 100% effective (or very, very close to it) in preventing death from the disease.

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1 hour ago, LTS said:

If the purpose of a vaccine is to achieve herd immunity then wouldn't it also be possible for that to happen naturally? 

Yes, but only with thousands of unnecessary deaths.  Eventually there was some level of herd immunity to the black death but only after a third of the population was wiped out.

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1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

Yes, but only with thousands of unnecessary deaths.  Eventually there was some level of herd immunity to the black death but only after a third of the population was wiped out.

But they kept the lamb wagons open!

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I am from BC and we did a good job with everything in the beginning but now so many people are just too selfish and lazy to follow through and this virus hangs around.

Every weekend a group of anti maskers whining about 5G and their rights bla bla bla gather. It’s ridiculous.

I haven’t been sick in over a year (since I had what I believe was Covid- awful) and I’m pretty happy about it. I am a social person but I’m all for masks and distancing until this is over. The flu? What’s that. There’s pretty much zero flu here. Gee I wonder why?

I can say going fwd that every year I’ll start masking up when the seasons shift to fall/winter so I can avoid getting a nasty cold or other bug. I sick at being sick. 

But to the maniacs out there defiant in their big stand against the huge sacrifice of having to wear a mask, you know where you can stick it. I honestly can’t believe this is a sword people wanna fall on. The twits that gather here (and everywhere) should use that hour or two and try something constructive, like volunteering their time. Do some good instead of the Groundhog Day we are stuck in.

To those who lost loved ones, sorry. 
 

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I have a coworker that tested positive feb 15th. He had a mild case but his wifes case is much worse. 

He had symptoms of what he described as a head cold.  He never got retested and said he still feels like he has a head cold like he had, but he said the cdc says he should quarantined for 10 days so he is ok now and back in the office

 

I thought if you still had sickness that you weren't safe to go out. He never went back to get retested for a negative. He said because you could test positive for 3 months. 

 

Is it really safe for him to be out when he still has minor symptoms and his wife is still sick too?

 

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Are there ever going to be vaccine appointments in Buffalo? I have checked every day, twice a day for weeks now and nothing. Meanwhile Syracuse has had multiple restocks. 

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2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Are there ever going to be vaccine appointments in Buffalo? I have checked every day, twice a day for weeks now and nothing. Meanwhile Syracuse has had multiple restocks. 

I dont know how far Syracuse is from buffalo but we had to drive for over 1 hour to get our vaccine. there is nothing in our area

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

I dont know how far Syracuse is from buffalo but we had to drive for over 1 hour to get our vaccine. there is nothing in our area

between 2.5 and 3 hours

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6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Oh that is far. 

it says for me it is 2.5 hours almost exactly to the fairgrounds where the vaccine is. So that's 5 hours round trip and I need to do that twice. 

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On 3/2/2021 at 9:32 AM, Doohickie said:

Yes, but only with thousands of unnecessary deaths.  Eventually there was some level of herd immunity to the black death but only after a third of the population was wiped out.

Not to mention those who do not die from the disease can have lasting effects rubella causing deafness, Mumps causing male infertility and a multitude of COVID related side effects.,

Vaccines offer herd immunity without the deaths and side effects 

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So my craft brewer friend got interviewed by CNN tonight about the lifting of the mask mandate here in Texas. Macy has been a staunch supporter of the mask mandate, social distancing, and sanitization. His taproom is one of the very few places I'll go in (although I usually get my beer and go back out to the patio).

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got my second moderna shot today. my wife got hers already a few days ago.

unfortunately, friday night she got a small head cold, we dont think its covid or anything, but she got tested just to be safe. all she has is a stuffy head. no cough, no loss of smell/taste or anything like that. just a stuffy nose. the kind of thing you would ignore, if it wasnt a pandemic.  hopefully she gets the results tomorrow. we live in a small apartment, so if she gets covid, im sure to get it too

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Ducky said:

I get the vaccine on Tuesday...2nd one in about 3 months.

i know its the canadian governments decision to do this, but has moderna and pfizer tested their vaccines with just a large gap between the doses?

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I am not sure but I think I will be getting the Astra Zeneca if I had to guess.

 

Dr. Anna Banerji, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Toronto, told CTV News Channel on Tuesday that other provinces should follow British Columbia's move to extend the interval of vaccine doses up to 16 weeks given Canada's limited vaccine supply.

"I think it makes sense," Banerji said. "The ultimate goal is to maximize life and reduce suffering and the way we do that is by getting as much vaccine out to as many people as possible."

Banerji explained that the first dose of a vaccine gives a person immunity, while the second dose is for longevity.

"So if you give [the second dose] in one month, two months, it really doesn't make a difference as long as as many people as possible get the vaccine," she said."

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Well we been shipping out some vaccines, but not the massive amounts that some expected.

We had a steady flow of Pfizer to chicago from here.   Most vaccins go with DHL.

Personally I only want the J&J one.

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7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Well we been shipping out some vaccines, but not the massive amounts that some expected.

We had a steady flow of Pfizer to chicago from here.   Most vaccins go with DHL.

Personally I only want the J&J one.

 

my mother is finally leaning towards getting a vaccine. i think my sister has been talking with her a lot. she is 71 years old and had lung cancer years back and had to get 1/2 of one of her lungs removed. besides that, she isnt in the best of health after breaking her leg years back.  

 

i have been hoping for months she would get a vaccine and hope she decides soon before its available to everyone and impossible to get

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to be honest, if I was old, I would not care about getting the moderna or pfizer ones, they work fine.   Its just that the long term effects of GMO food or in this case vaccines is such an unknown, they should never give it to young people that still want kids.   

j&j vaccine is proven against british and south-african variant though.

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Well we been shipping out some vaccines, but not the massive amounts that some expected.

We had a steady flow of Pfizer to chicago from here.   Most vaccins go with DHL.

Personally I only want the J&J one.

I thought I read on BBC that Belgium, like Canada, was having trouble getting vaccines.  This could be bad memory, but if my memory is right, why ship them out?

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I have a trip the day after my second shot. I've heard that shot can really knock you out for a couple days. Is it safe/alright to push back the second shot from 21 days after the first, to 26 days after the first?

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Just now, WildCard said:

I have a trip the day after my second shot. I've heard that shot can really knock you out for a couple days. Is it safe/alright to push back the second shot from 21 days after the first, to 26 days after the first?

Non-expert disclaimer:

It seems to be the general consensus that getting the second shot even up to 3 months after the 1st does not affect the overall effectiveness of the vaccine.  So you should be good.

I’ve also heard that most people feel pretty whipped out for a couple days after the 2nd vaccine.

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17 hours ago, Eleven said:

I thought I read on BBC that Belgium, like Canada, was having trouble getting vaccines.  This could be bad memory, but if my memory is right, why ship them out?

All of Europe is having problem getting vaccins, And we produce them here, do we have the right to keep them from the rest of world ?

Most of the orders of our vaccins were placed on J&J and astrazeneca ( having huge isssues with EU) -   EU has a history of not allowing GMO food, so they were hesitant on GMO vaccins I suppose.

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