COVID-19

[WildCard]

I wonder if they'll exclude those who already got it. That would add about 14 million people you don't have to vaccinate 

Edited December 1, 2020 by WildCard

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, WildCard said:

I wonder if they'll exclude those who already got it. That would add, about 14 million people you don't have to vaccinate 

There is uncertainty about immunization after natural infection so I would say no currently but it is possible. 

[PASabreFan]

Will healthcare workers be required to get a vaccine? That'll be interesting to follow. Medicare and Medicaid could tie reimbursements to such a requirement. In my narrow experience, a requirement will be necessary to get all workers vaccinated. I'm hearing co-workers say they don't want to be "guinea pigs."

Edited December 1, 2020 by PASabreFan

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I will NOT get this vaccine.

EVER!!

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I will NOT get this vaccine.

EVER!!

Is this sarcasm?

[Ogelthorpe]

5 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I will NOT get this vaccine.

EVER!!

I imagine with my job I will be forced to take it. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Is this sarcasm?

Nope.

[LGR4GM]

8 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Nope.

Do you have a reason? 

11 minutes ago, Ogelthorpe said:

I imagine with my job I will be forced to take it. 

So?

[Sabres Fan in NS]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Do you have a reason? 

From personal experience, I do not trust any vaccine to not do more harm.

Especially one that is being rushed out.  I trust the medical folks much more than big Pharma.

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

From personal experience, I do not trust any vaccine to not do more harm.

Especially one that is being rushed out.  I trust the medical folks much more than big Pharma.

Name a common vaccine that has done more harm. Go ahead, I'll wait. 

2 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

From personal experience, I do not trust any vaccine to not do more harm.

Especially one that is being rushed out.  I trust the medical folks much more than big Pharma.

You do realize that medical folks help create vaccines and are also majorly involved in the testing of vaccines right?

[Wyldnwoody44]

Qantas airlines is working on putting out a 2nd digital passport, it won't Allow people to fly unless they get the vaccine, they are also integrating testing centers that one can go to, if they have travel coming up that can load into this digital card or whatever, so that person is shown as up to date with entry requirements for Covid. Other airlines are appearing to show interest in this and it may become a reality. 

So yeah, If they're gonna go this far with it, which it certainly sounds possible; you better believe they're gonna make employees of many fields get it. So they're not forcing you to get it.... But good luck living a decent life after 2021 if you don't. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Name a common vaccine that has done more harm. Go ahead, I'll wait. 

You do realize that medical folks help create vaccines and are also majorly involved in the testing of vaccines right?

I said from personal experience.  I and my wife have had severe and prolonged issues after getting the Hep vaccine before travelling to Bosnia the first time. 

The virologists that I have heard are expressing concerns about the vaccines being pushed hard by the pharma companies now.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

I said from personal experience.  I and my wife have had severe and prolonged issues after getting the Hep vaccine before travelling to Bosnia the first time. 

The virologists that I have heard are expressing concerns about the vaccines being pushed hard by the pharma companies now.

Can you give us a source for these virologists and what concerns they have?

[Sabres Fan in NS]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Can you give us a source for these virologists and what concerns they have?

I don't have a live link handy to the story below from CP, which is our outlet of the AP ...

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A long way from lab bench to bedside: Virus experts urge COVID-19 vaccine caution

Bob Weber

 

The Canadian PressStaff

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Published Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:45PM ESTLast Updated Sunday, November 22, 2020 9:19AM EST

Despite recent optimism over reported results from COVID-19 vaccine trials, virologists say there is still a long way from lab bench to bedside.

"You would think by this stage of the pandemic we would be leery and skeptical of science by press release," said Ross Upshur of the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health.

"The data that has been released was interim data," said Alyson Kelvin of Dalhousie University. "The trials are still going on."

Two companies, Pfizer and Moderna, have recently announced they've developed COVID-19 vaccines that are 95 per cent effective. The news has juiced stock markets, induced politicians to call for expedited use and blown a breath of optimism to a world weary of masks and self-isolation.

But wait a minute, experts say.

A 95-per-cent effective vaccine doesn't mean it completely protects 95 per cent of recipients. It means recipients have a 95-per-cent lower chance of contracting the disease than someone who didn't receive it.

"It's a relative comparison," said Upshur.

As well, there's a ton of data that has to be independently reviewed, none of which has yet been released. Researchers have to confirm if there's anything that might have distorted the results.

"It's important to see what the actual numbers were, to see if (for example) the people who were vaccinated with the placebo were at a higher risk of contracting the disease," Kelvin said.

"We want to pick apart those parameters."

She says Phase 3 trials, which involve large cohorts of up to 40,000 people, typically take two to three years. That's because adverse effects sometimes take a while to appear -- especially if they involve smaller groups within society.

Upshur points out 95 per cent is an exceptionally high success rate.

"It's a new technology. It's a new vaccine. We've never had 95-per-cent efficacy before and we've got a very bad track record with respiratory virus vaccines."

Both Pfizer and Moderna have applied in the United States for emergency approval to use the vaccine. That would mean everyone in the trial gets a dose of it, effectively ending any way of monitoring its ongoing effects.

Mistake, said Upshur.  A side-effect that only harms one in 15,000 people still adds up when you're inoculating billions.

"We should let these trials run to completion."

He points out every clinical trial is overseen by an ethics board, which has the power to end the trial and OK the vaccine if results are unequivocal. No such decision has been made for either company.

Public health agencies don't need any more skepticism over the safety of vaccines, Upshur said.

"The World Health Organization has declared vaccine hesitancy as one of the top 10 threats to global health."

Both scientists say the work done to prepare a possible vaccine for an unknown virus in less than a year is impressive work. Kelvin said the drug companies benefited from previous work from around the world on the Zika and MERS viruses.

"We wouldn't be where we are today without that previous experience."

Upshur said virologists understand the pressing need to come up with an answer to COVID-19. But he said more work is needed to ensure the cure isn't, literally, worse than the disease.

"Everybody wants this over yesterday," he said.

"But you can't will away a pandemic and it would [be] foolish and imprudent to override our usual ways of thinking about safety and quality of vaccine."

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 21, 2020.

[LGR4GM]

Thank you, I had read something similar but was trying to understand where you were coming from. 

[LGR4GM]

I won't be eligible to get the vaccine until May and I will get it. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

While I was at work last night they drew my blood for antibody testing, if it's positive then I've had the virus already and I have antibodies, so let's see 

[Brawndo]

59 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I won't be eligible to get the vaccine until May and I will get it. 

I will be eligible for the First Phase and I will get it as soon as I can 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I won't be eligible to get the vaccine until May and I will get it. 

I hate to sound so ignorant (cue the jokes)

but how can one find that info? 

[WildCard]

10 minutes ago, inkman said:

I hate to sound so ignorant (cue the jokes)

but how can one find that info? 

1) Are you a first responder or health care worker?

2) Are you above 65+ or have a serious medical condition?

3) Are you a teacher?

If you answer no to all of those, May/June are when you're looking at.

[LGR4GM]

6 minutes ago, WildCard said:

1) Are you a first responder or health care worker?

2) Are you above 65+ or have a serious medical condition?

3) Are you a teacher?

If you answer no to all of those, May/June are when you're looking at.

I am a degenerate blog poster. 

[ubkev]

5 minutes ago, WildCard said:

1) Are you a first responder or health care worker?

2) Are you above 65+ or have a serious medical condition?

3) Are you a teacher?

If you answer no to all of those, May/June are when you're looking at.

So all the other people who have to go to work with the public every day can eat a bag of ***** then?

I'm asking, not being snarky. 

And only being slightly smug.

[WildCard]

6 minutes ago, ubkev said:

So all the other people who have to go to work with the public every day can eat a bag of ***** then?

I'm asking, not being snarky. 

And only being slightly smug.

Pretty much. I mean the order does make sense, just sucks that there's a limited amount to go around.

Still, the faster people take it the faster it stops spreading and things get back to normal. Even if you can't get it yet, everyone around you getting the vaccine improves your quality of life a ton.

Edited December 1, 2020 by WildCard

[ubkev]

2 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Pretty much. I mean the order does make sense, just sucks that there's a limited amount to go around.

Still, the faster people take it the faster it stops spreading and things get back to normal. Even if you can't get it yet, everyone around you getting the vaccine improves your quality of life a ton.

That assumes that the people I interact with are ahead of me on the list lol. I work grave shift in a casino. My clientele are primarily drug dealers and embezzlers, bookies and other money launderers. Oh, and grandparents!

[WildCard]

9 minutes ago, ubkev said:

That assumes that the people I interact with are ahead of me on the list lol. I work grave shift in a casino. My clientele are primarily drug dealers and embezzlers, bookies and other money launderers. Oh, and grandparents!

I was gonna say I know where you work it's gotta be filled with olds at slot machines 😄