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Just now, pi2000 said:

I thought you officially abandon this team a couple years ago? 

You're thinking of the 4th time he did it, this would be 13 I think

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Im a bit surprised by the growing anti-Montour sentiment.

He has a bit more flash than substance, but he skates really well, moves the puck, competes well enough and tends to contribute to more goals for us than goals for them.

One of the few Botterill additions that does more than take up space.

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Just now, TrueBlueGED said:

He doesn't suck, but you'd have to do some work to convince me he's a top-4 guy on a good team unless you're structured with a prime Keith-Seabrook style pair where you're really a top-2 bottom-4 setup. 

What about that season with the Ducks? 22 mins in a WCF run, Fowler, Lindholm, Manson the other guys? 

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3 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

Ooh, a "Team Montour" member. 

Team Montour is fine: nfreeman, Flagg I guess?, darksabre?, ... ? 
Team Montour sucks: most other posters 

I like Montour.  He's an outstanding skater, has good hockey IQ, can play in every situation and is on a steady improvement arc IMHO.  I think perhaps for some posters he's tainted by association with JB and the over-weighting of defensemen on the roster, but I think he'll prove out to be a very good player.

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10 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

Ooh, a "Team Montour" member. 

Team Montour is fine: nfreeman, Flagg I guess?, darksabre?, ... ? 
Team Montour sucks: most other posters 

update:
Team Montour is fine: nfreeman, darksabre, Flagg, dudacek, pi2000, DarthEbriate, WC
Team middle ground: Swamp, True, freester
Team Montour sucks: inkman, so many posters in random GDTs that I just can't remember who said what, but I swear there are a lot of 'em 

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1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:

update:
Team Montour is fine: nfreeman, darksabre, Flagg, dudacek, pi2000
Team middle ground: Swamp, True
Team Montour sucks: inkman, freester?, so many posters in random GDTs that I just can't remember who said what, but I swear there are a lot of 'em 

Throw me in the Montour is solid/fine group. 

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2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

What about that season with the Ducks? 22 mins in a WCF run, Fowler, Lindholm, Manson the other guys? 

Meh. Once upon a time, Andrew Hammond looked like the second coming of Hasek for a similar stretch of games. Brian Bickell was a clutch playoff hero. 

Montour is fine, I certainly don't hate him. But he's pretty expendable for me. 

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3 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:

Oh man, I miss Reggie. Such a good player who was wholly under appreciated. 

I'm still mad they traded him. 

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1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Im a bit surprised by the growing anti-Montour sentiment.

He has a bit more flash than substance, but he skates really well, moves the puck, competes well enough and tends to contribute to more goals for us than goals for them.

One of the few Botterill additions that does more than take up space.

 

Just now, Randall Flagg said:

update:
Team Montour is fine: nfreeman, darksabre, Flagg, dudacek, pi2000
Team middle ground: Swamp, True
Team Montour sucks: inkman, freester?, so many posters in random GDTs that I just can't remember who said what, but I swear there are a lot of 'em 

I don't think Montour sucks, rather he is a solid bottom 4 defensemen.  I feel like Botteril overpaid to acquire Montour, and he is not much better than Guhle.  We are also overstocked at RD and I think Botteril is going to overpay Montour on his new contract.

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Sekera... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. (Except earlier this year when we played against him and I remembered him.)

I'm still of the Lydman/Montour mindset, that if we get the right partner (his inner Tallinder) for him, Montour becomes a truly good #2 guy. And he's a top-4 if he just plays with whomever. So general @Randall Flagg, count me in as a Team Montour.

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Just now, freester said:

 

I don't think Montour sucks, rather he is a solid bottom 4 defensemen.  I feel like Botteril overpaid to acquire Montour, and he is not much better than Guhle.  We are also overstocked at RD and I think Botteril is going to overpay Montour on his new contract.

Guhle can't crack the lineup as a regular on a bad team. Montour is considerably better. 

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5 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

You're thinking of the 4th time he did it, this would be 13 I think

And I'll keep abandoning it GDamnit. The only reason I MIGHT come back next year is the royal blue jersey.....and if they find a #2 Center, and another top 6 winger..................and a goalie..........................and if they install a LLoyds at the arena. ONLY THEN!!!!

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2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Sekera... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. (Except earlier this year when we played against him and I remembered him.)

I'm still of the Lydman/Montour mindset, that if we get the right partner (his inner Tallinder) for him, Montour becomes a truly good #2 guy. And he's a top-4 if he just plays with whomever. So general @Randall Flagg, count me in as a Team Montour.

It's funny, because Montour seems to work okay with Risto.

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Just now, CallawaySabres said:

And I'll keep abandoning it GDamnit. The only reason I MIGHT come back next year is the royal blue jersey.....and if they find a #2 Center, and another top 6 winger..................and a goalie..........................and if they install a LLoyds at the arena. ONLY THEN!!!!

It's an irreplacable role, you do it better than anyone! 

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2 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

And I'll keep abandoning it GDamnit. The only reason I MIGHT come back next year is the royal blue jersey.....and if they find a #2 Center, and another top 6 winger..................and a goalie..........................and if they install a LLoyds at the arena. ONLY THEN!!!!

God, I hope Lloyd’s never comes to the arena…  It’s just not that good. In my opinion

Mighty taco?… Now we’re talking!

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3 minutes ago, darksabre said:

It's funny, because Montour seems to work okay with Risto.

He needs the bigger, rockier, forceful guy. The Niedermayer to the Stephens. The Lydman to the Tallinder. That's OK. He might be great with Samuelsson in a couple years.

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1 minute ago, Zamboni said:

God, I hope Lloyd’s never comes to the arena…  It’s just not that good. In my opinion

Mighty taco?… Now we’re talking!

Really, is the choice neither... they give me the runs...

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10 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

He's still young and will get better.    Hope they keep him.

Lol, you think a 25 year old player with over 200 nhl games is going to "get better" to any worthwhile degree.  Lol sure. 

Oh he'll be 26 in april. Even better. Wish Reinhart had his magical powers of improvement. Oh well. 

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15 minutes ago, freester said:

How much is Botteril going o overpay Montour in his next contract?   He's already wasted a first round pick and a good prospect on him.   I'm worried were about to see another Skinner contract coming.

In your opinion, what type of contract does Montour deserve?  What would be an overpay?

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5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Lol, you think a 25 year old player with over 200 nhl games is going to "get better" to any worthwhile degree.  Lol sure. 

Oh he'll be 26 in april. Even better. Wish Reinhart had his magical powers of improvement. Oh well. 

Well then it will probably shock you to learn that Ristolainen is on course for the exact same season he's had for the last 4 years of his career.

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6 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Well then it will probably shock you to learn that Ristolainen is on course for the exact same season he's had for the last 4 years of his career.

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

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Not to put a ton of weight on plus/minus or anything, but Risto is having a very nice year in terms of not being on the ice for a ton of goals against, which isn't nothing. 

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Just now, darksabre said:

Not to put a ton of weight on plus/minus or anything, but Risto is having a very nice year in terms of not being on the ice for a ton of goals against, which isn't nothing. 

His possession and point totals look the same as they've ever been. Does anyone have a tool that can show us some more info?

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18 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

God, I hope Lloyd’s never comes to the arena…  It’s just not that good. In my opinion

Mighty taco?… Now we’re talking!

Clearly you have never had the Dirty South there

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Just now, darksabre said:

Not to put a ton of weight on plus/minus or anything, but Risto is having a very nice year in terms of not being on the ice for a ton of goals against, which isn't nothing. 

The way Corsi is embraced and +/- dismissed when they have exactly the same flaws is an ongoing mystery to me, particularly when +/- measures the all-important goal, while Corsi measures the much-less significant shot.

Whatever it’s value, the guy has improved his +/- by 40. Saying he’s having the exact same season is willfully blind.

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