Brawndo Posted September 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, Randall Flagg said: Where'd that come from Brawndo? A friend of a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 All depends on the price. Risto and a reasonable bridge for Laine? Sign me up. Risto++ and Freeman's $8M bridge? I'm out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: All depends on the price. Risto and a reasonable bridge for Laine? Sign me up. Risto++ and Freeman's $8M bridge? I'm out. I mean that's definitely what it's going to cost though FWIW I just don't see it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, Brawndo said: A friend of a friend. Anything else where that came from? remember, it's in your sabrespace contract to divulge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, WildCard said: I mean that's definitely what it's going to cost though FWIW I just don't see it happening It will fascinating to see how it plays out. The Sabres got Skinner as cheaply as they did because his NTC and pending UFA status depressed the market. Laine’s contract demands, potential attitude problem and incomplete game will depress the market as well, but how much? The larger the contract the smaller the price teams will pay - especially late in the summer with so many teams hard against the cap. I think the Jets will be looking at an either/or situation. Some team giving up the equivalent of Risto and Cozens and a first and signing him to a four-year $35 million deal? Don’t see teams lining up for that. Unless the Jets are willing to wait him out, he’s kinda got Winnipeg over a barrel, and it doesn’t feel like Matthews and Nylander on Management’s side, I kinda get the sense they don’t believe in Laine any more. Edited September 6, 2019 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: It will fascinating to see how it plays out. The Sabres got Skinner as cheaply as they did because his NTC and pending UFA status depressed the market. Laine’s contract demands, potential attitude problem and incomplete game will depress the market as well, but how much? The larger the contract the smaller the price teams will pay - especially late in the summer with so many teams hard against the cap. I think the Jets will be looking at an either/or situation. Some team giving up the equivalent of Risto and Cozens and a first and signing him to a four-year $35 million deal? Don’t see teams lining up for that. Unless the Jets are willing to wait him out, he’s kinda got Winnipeg over a barrel, and it doesn’t feel like Matthews and Nylander on Management’s side, I kinda get the sense they don’t believe in Laine any more. I agree with your analysis. I don't think Laine will be cost prohibitive, be it the trade pieces or the contract. Hasn't there been reporting out of Winnipeg that he wants a bridge? I think he bets on himself in hopes of truly cashing in on the next deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, Brawndo said: Laine’s Name has come up in conversations with the Sabres Hey, if Cheveldayoff wants Sobotka that bad, Botterill should bite the bullet and let them have him. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) Warming up to a Risto-based trade for Laine as long as the add isn't anything more than a prospect I don't really care about and a pick that's not in the 1st round Yeah, I know that won't do it probably Edited September 6, 2019 by Randall Flagg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Warming up to a Risto-based trade for Laine as long as the add isn't anything more than a prospect I don't really care about and a pick that's not in the 1st round Yeah, I know that won't do it probably I was just saying this exact thing to a friend of mine. What I’m willing to five likely isn’t enough, but were it, I like Laine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 I just want everyone to know that I start a week long vacation at 5:00 tomorrow, so be ready for trades. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, dudacek said: I would be very sad if we traded Reinhart for Laine straight across, never mind packaged with Risto. At least we’re both consistent ? Is Laine a better player than Skinner? What? No, it’s not even close. For me it just comes down to the fact that Skinner scores at ES and Laine picks up a heavy portion of his on the PP. Edited September 6, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Risto, Joker and their 2020 #1 for Laine. Who says no — JB, Chevy or neither? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Risto, Joker and their 2020 #1 for Laine. Who says no — JB, Chevy or neither? JB says no. The number 1 pick will be in top 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Risto, Joker and their 2020 #1 for Laine. Who says no — JB, Chevy or neither? No way would I do that as Buffalo; Laine is literally a one trick pony with questionable work ethic. Not to mention he wants ridiculous amount of money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Risto, Joker and their 2020 #1 for Laine. Who says no — JB, Chevy or neither? Botterill because we start the year with Nelson in the top 6 D in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 One of the reasons a deal built around Laine for Risto is so fascinating is the absolutely enormous lack of consensus on how good each player is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, dudacek said: One of the reasons a deal built around Laine for Risto is so fascinating is the absolutely enormous lack of consensus on how good each player is. I think that consensus has started to solidify, thus the two being on the block to begin with. Both were analytically bad last season. Laine just has more potential. But to your point each will still have a decent base of more traditional thinking behind them: grit and goals. Perhaps to your point, both seem to occupy a very similar position in the eye test/surface vs analytics discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 So, if the Sabres by chance do acquire Laine, I see McCabe moving. Can't see them on the same team. Also, if McCabe is moved, does that open the door to Gardiner? So many twists and turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Adam Larsson got Hall, I mean risto for Laine is at least in the same stratosphere as that trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Scottysabres said: So, if the Sabres by chance do acquire Laine, I see McCabe moving. Can't see them on the same team. Also, if McCabe is moved, does that open the door to Gardiner? So many twists and turns. Because of a big clean hit? Disagree that that’d be a thing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Risto Sheary and a 2nd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 16 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Risto Sheary and a 2nd This would make my heart pitter patter slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Risto Sheary and a 2nd The fact that literally every Sabres fan who ever lived would do this in a heartbeat kinda says something about how realistic it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 I think Laine's contract status suppresses his trade value. It would be one thing if he was signed and we knew what he was going to cost. Winnipeg isn't going to get as much as they'd like to for him given that he's not even under contract to play this season yet. So I think "unrealistic" trade proposals for Laine get a little leeway because of the uncertainty involved in this scenario. Any Laine trade discussion really needs to include his expected contract. Who here wants Laine at 8 x $10mil right now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Thinking about that more, how do the Sabres even afford Laine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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