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Bogosian Signs a 1.3 Million Dollar Deal with Tampa

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18 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:

Have you never seen "When Harry Met Sally"? She's faking it, LOL.

Deep down, I knew that.

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Maybe the team trading for him plans on stashing him in the A and they don't want to make the deal and then turn around and lose him on waivers. Gentleman's agreement with that team not to claim him and see what happens. 

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3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Regular waivers is for the purpose of demotion to the AHL or lending for another organization.

Unconditional waivers is for terminating a contract.      

For unconditional waivers, Bogo would have had to already agreed to terminate, yes?

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2 minutes ago, Curt said:

For unconditional waivers, Bogo would have had to already agreed to terminate, yes?

Correct. And the times I've seen that happen it was announced as such at the time.

Only way I see that happening is if it's a way to facilitate a move currently blocked by his contract: Bogosian's agent has a team willing to sign him as a free agent at a cheap price for the stretch drive and he is willing to take the cash hit in order to showcase himself playing for that team down the stretch.

Sabres would do it for the cap space.

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37 minutes ago, Tondas said:

Good player, injury prone, good decision.

He was a terrible player, particularly in the last @ 5 years of his career.

A high draft pick who never panned out.

 

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18 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Correct. And the times I've seen that happen it was announced as such at the time.

Only way I see that happening is if it's a way to facilitate a move currently blocked by his contract: Bogosian's agent has a team willing to sign him as a free agent at a cheap price for the stretch drive and he is willing to take the cash hit in order to showcase himself playing for that team down the stretch.

Sabres would do it for the cap space.

On the one hand it is sad they could not get anything for him, that cap hit is way too much for what he brings and most teams are near the upper limit.

On the other hand if he clears waivers and signs a cheap deal elsewhere to bet on himself the Sabres gain cap space that can be another angle at the deadline.

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15 minutes ago, French Collection said:

On the other hand if he clears waivers and signs a cheap deal elsewhere to bet on himself the Sabres gain cap space that can be another angle at the deadline.

Even if he clears waivers, he can’t sign a cheaper deal with another team.  He will still be on his big contract.  Unfortunately.

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1 minute ago, Curt said:

Even if he clears waivers, he can’t sign a cheaper deal with another team.  He will still be on his big contract.  Unfortunately.

Can he not terminate his current deal and become an UFA?

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He's a veteran guy that was a solid player and a solid team guy at one point.  If a contending team is short on veteran d-men and have some cap space, the hit is only for a few more months, then he falls off the books at the end of the season.  The Sabres, on the other hand, are not a contending team (arguably), are not short on d-men and don't have a lot of cap space.  Plus, he hasn't demonstrated himself as a solid player and a solid team guy this season.  A change of scenery benefits everyone involved.  Let's hope lands on his feet somewhere and is able to resume a previously productive career and the Sabres are able to move on with younger and less expensive talent.

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3 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Can he not terminate his current deal and become an UFA?

It’s a thing that can happen.  Bogosian and Buffalo would have to mutually agree to such a contract termination.

But that’s not what is happening right now.  He is not going through unconditional waivers for the purposes of contract termination.  He is going through regular waivers.  He can be claimed by another team, and if he clears waivers he could be sent to the AHL.

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3 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Can he not terminate his current deal and become an UFA?

Why would he do that? He loses the money that way. I think what most people are picturing is the Sabres releasing him (which is their decision, not his). In that case, he’s free, he gets his money, and the team saves a minimal amount of cap space. 
 

But as was mentioned upthread, typically when a player is waived with the intent to release, the media catches wind of it right away. 

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9 minutes ago, shrader said:

Why would he do that? He loses the money that way. I think what most people are picturing is the Sabres releasing him (which is their decision, not his). In that case, he’s free, he gets his money, and the team saves a minimal amount of cap space. 

But as was mentioned upthread, typically when a player is waived with the intent to release, the media catches wind of it right away. 

NHL teams can’t “release” players in this way, can they?  Releasing them but still paying them?  That would circumvent the cap.  If this was possible Bogo and Okposo would have already been “released” long ago.

They can buy players out, or players and team can agree to mutual contract termination.  A buy out pays the player, but counts against the cap.  Mutual termination, terminates the contract and the player doesn’t get paid.

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50 minutes ago, Curt said:

NHL teams can’t “release” players in this way, can they?  Releasing them but still paying them?  That would circumvent the cap.  If this was possible Bogo and Okposo would have already been “released” long ago.

They can buy players out, or players and team can agree to mutual contract termination.  A buy out pays the player, but counts against the cap.  Mutual termination, terminates the contract and the player doesn’t get paid.

You can release them. You still owe them the money and they’d still count against the cap but they would be gone.  

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3 hours ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

Maybe the team trading for him plans on stashing him in the A and they don't want to make the deal and then turn around and lose him on waivers. Gentleman's agreement with that team not to claim him and see what happens. 

That's the dream scenario.

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10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

You can release them. You still owe them the money and they’d still count against the cap but they would be gone.  

Does this actually happen?  Under what circumstances would a team do this?

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14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

You can release them. You still owe them the money and they’d still count against the cap but they would be gone.  

They can only be released during the "ordinary course buyout window" or during arbitration season unless the player did something violating team / league rules.  (Both of which happen in the summer.)

There is no indication that Bogosian did anything to cause the Sabres to terminate his contract.  He likely is Ra-cha-cha bound.

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According to the CBA the unconditional waivers comes before contract termination.  A player must clear this type of waiver before the team and player can part ways.  

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12 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

According to the CBA the unconditional waivers comes before contract termination.  A player must clear this type of waiver before the team and player can part ways.  

Right.  But those are only allowed during the ordinary course buyout period (at the end of June) or during the 3rd to 5th day after the club's last arbitration award (which can only be exercised 3 times throughout the life of the CBA).  Fairly certain we are outside both of those windows.  😉

And we have heard of no team / league rules Bogosian has violated.  He's still on the 50 man reserve list unless somebody claims him or trades for him unless he simply wants to quit.  None of those have been reported as possibilities.

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9 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Right.  But those are only allowed during the ordinary course buyout period (at the end of June) or during the 3rd to 5th day after the club's last arbitration award (which can only be exercised 3 times throughout the life of the CBA).  Fairly certain we are outside both of those windows.  😉

And we have heard of no team / league rules Bogosian has violated.  He's still on the 50 man reserve list unless somebody claims him or trades for him unless he simply wants to quit.  None of those have been reported as possibilities.

Wasn't Berglunds contract terminated in middle of year? 

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