SwampD Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: I’ve never gotten a flu shot. And it’s way more likely to kill you than the Coronavirus. That’s why this is all a crock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 hours ago, nfreeman said: I’ve never gotten a flu shot. Smart. Why would you want to contract the flu in order to prevent it? Dumb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, SwampD said: Fear sells. Fear leads the fearful into peril. They ignore common sense and follow the charlatans. I couldn’t read anything that blog stated as fact after I read about the hospital masks being ineffective and how that implies that this must be a sign that this thing is really bad. Well, if you’re using a hospital mask to protect YOURSELF from airborne contaminates then you are being a fool. The mask helps ME from spreading germs but it does nothing to protect YOU from from catching them. If you’re truly afraid of catching this thing from the air then you’d wear an N95 type respirator with your face properly shaved at the very least. To be truly safe you’d wear a PAPR with the proper filter cartridgne that had been tested to fit your face with a qualitative fit test. Training in how to donn and doff properly is key. TRAINING!! Anything less and your simply not protected...period. Anyone that is attempting to give thoughtful and accurate advice would have been sure to note all of that.....but they didn’t. Maybe they be just didn’t know? If not then they should just shut up and stop spreading fear because that is all they are doing. Edited February 16, 2020 by Ogre added note about proper filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) WARNING! This website is NOT approved by the Ministry of Truth. Proceed at your own risk! Dangerous ideas ahead. Doubleplusungood. A coronavirus (COVID-19) roundup. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/358464/ Edited February 16, 2020 by 5th line wingnutt thoughtcrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said: A coronavirus (COVID-19) roundup. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/358464/ Be very careful of PJMedia. It is like The Young Turks on the right, except with more experience and connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, E4 ... Ke2 said: Be very careful of PJMedia. It is like The Young Turks on the right, except with more experience and connections. Pretty sure that’s why he goes there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted February 16, 2020 Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 hours ago, SwampD said: And it’s way more likely to kill you than the Coronavirus. That’s why this is all a crock. I hope you’re right. Transmissibility and death rate appears to be higher than typical flu strands which is concerning. Regardless of media fallibility there really are unknowns that have some bad scenarios possible. Fear and panic are not our friends however. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 hours ago, 5th line wingnutt said: WARNING! This website is NOT approved by the Ministry of Truth. Proceed at your own risk! Dangerous ideas ahead. Doubleplusungood. A coronavirus (COVID-19) roundup. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/358464/ Jesus. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/%3famp Detailed Report Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Failed Fact Checks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, SDS said: Jesus. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/%3famp Detailed Report Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Failed Fact Checks Pretty sure that’s why he goes there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 My family friend tells me they've released over 2000 on that Cruise ship. There are over 800 confirmed cases he tells me, they expect some not to make it. It hasn't been reported yet, but 6 individuals that had direct contact with the cruise ship and were allowed to roam free in and around the greater Tokyo Bay southern area have been confirmed to have contracted the virus. My friend tells me local authorities, as I type this to you, are identifying potential exposure to others. That's all I have from my convo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Scottysabres said: My family friend tells me they've released over 2000 on that Cruise ship. There are over 800 confirmed cases he tells me, they expect some not to make it. It hasn't been reported yet, but 6 individuals that had direct contact with the cruise ship and were allowed to roam free in and around the greater Tokyo Bay southern area have been confirmed to have contracted the virus. My friend tells me local authorities, as I type this to you, are identifying potential exposure to others. That's all I have from my convo's. An outbreak in Tokyo wouldn't be good. Not that we have any idea how long this whole thing will last, but with the Summer Olympics there in 5 months, it won't help. I am sure there is still lots of facilities prep happening. Any kind of shutdown would be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 hours ago, SDS said: Jesus. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/%3famp Detailed Report Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Failed Fact Checks Some thoughts for you : 1) I do not consider public health issues to be political. Infectious diseases that can kill you do not care about your politics. 2) I checked out the page you linked to. mediabiasfactcheck.com uses other sites to do their fact checking. On the page you linked to, they mostly used politifact and snopes. Politifact is left biased, it is not surprising they do not like pjmedia. Snopes is a bad joke. It spends some of its time fact checking the Babylon Bee, a satire site. I am quite sure I do not need them to tell me that satire is not news. 3) You looked up the wrong site. My link goes to Instapundit which is hosted by pjmedia but is editorially independent. 4) Did you follow the link? It goes to a blog entry that contains links to various news stories about COVID-19. There was nothing political in this blog entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff Around The Edges Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 15 hours ago, SDS said: Jesus. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/%3famp Detailed Report Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Failed Fact Checks One thing I have often wondered (I am the silent majority politically, the one of many that is fed up with both sides equally) but I wonder if these fact checkers themselves are extreme one way or another. It can be an endless cycle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 58 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said: Some thoughts for you : 1) I do not consider public health issues to be political. Infectious diseases that can kill you do not care about your politics. 2) I checked out the page you linked to. mediabiasfactcheck.com uses other sites to do their fact checking. On the page you linked to, they mostly used politifact and snopes. Politifact is left biased, it is not surprising they do not like pjmedia. Snopes is a bad joke. It spends some of its time fact checking the Babylon Bee, a satire site. I am quite sure I do not need them to tell me that satire is not news. 3) You looked up the wrong site. My link goes to Instapundit which is hosted by pjmedia but is editorially independent. 4) Did you follow the link? It goes to a blog entry that contains links to various news stories about COVID-19. There was nothing political in this blog entry. I found an article from ABC news when I clicked on it. Wasn't sure what all the hub-bub was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) On 2/16/2020 at 1:48 AM, SwampD said: And it’s way more likely to kill you than the Coronavirus. That’s why this is all a crock. All a crock? A country of 1.4 billion is on military style lockdown. The health impacts are significant and the economic impacts will not be short term and will be/is far reaching. I’m not sure what your definition of ‘crock’ is. I’ve been following this closely via a wide variety of media sources and this is an extremely serious situation no matter which way you look at it. Edited February 17, 2020 by Derrico 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Ruff Around The Edges said: One thing I have often wondered (I am the silent majority politically, the one of many that is fed up with both sides equally) but I wonder if these fact checkers themselves are extreme one way or another. It can be an endless cycle Disclaimer: I am a Never Trump former-Republican. Please take my bias here into account. Whenever I want an evaluation of the quality of fact-checkers, I took the advice of those who know better than I do and go to realclearpolitics.com. It has a slight, but definite conservative bias. Their commentary is moderately conservative. Their news aggregation is mostly from the very liberal (Huffington Post, The Nation) through the "Main Stream Media" through the conservative to stuff bordering on alt-right. (Again, the slightly rightward bias shows through.) This is strongly recommended by the few active Washington-level politicos I know. If you want neutral news reports, I strongly recommend the Christian Science Monitor. Everyone I know who is politically active, from hard-core conservatives to quasi-socialists, agrees that their reporting is top-notch. On the evaluation of PJMedia, I think the evaluation SDS posted is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Derrico said: All a crock? A country of 1.4 billion is on military style lockdown. The health impacts are significant and the economic impacts will not be short term and will be/is far reaching. I’m not sure what your definition of ‘crock’ is. I’ve been following this closely via a wide variety of media sources and this is an extremely serious situation no matter which way you look at it. Did you get your flu shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Oh, on the actual subject of this thread: It is extraordinarily unlikely that your flu shot would help you if you were infected with a coronavirus. Anti-viral vaccinations don't work like that. This is why you can get a flu shot for the proper strains at the beginning of the season, yet get the flu from a virus you were immunised for towards the end of the season -- it mutated. Coronavirus is even more different from influenza than influenza mutations are from the initial strain. Let me balance out the fear with some hope: SARS had a far greater morbidity rate than even the most pessimistic estimates for the coronavirus, but it was eventually successfully contained. The Communist Chinese government has the cities locked down and other around the world are working on protecting people and isolating cases, so we might have a chance. People are building on the experience from SARS, so no one is getting caught flat-footed this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, SwampD said: Did you get your flu shot? No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, SwampD said: Did you get your flu shot? You know.. you bring it up again, but the flu shot doesn't prevent the flu. Why do you insist on this measuring stick when its clearly broken? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, LTS said: You know.. you bring it up again, but the flu shot doesn't prevent the flu. Why do you insist on this measuring stick when its clearly broken? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm If I'm reading Swamp correctly, his point was that the flu has killed way more people than Coronavirus but folks that don't bother to get a flu shot are fretting Coronavirus. That was my take anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Weave said: If I'm reading Swamp correctly, his point was that the flu has killed way more people than Coronavirus but folks that don't bother to get a flu shot are fretting Coronavirus. That was my take anyway. I read it that way too, but there's a big difference. It's not like the flu shot actually prevents the flu, and it tends to NOT kill anyone. Coronavirus has no vaccine, so it's not like we could take one if we wanted and it doesn't appear to be as discriminatory. The flu isn't a joke, neither is this. I mean, if we really want to talk about dangers to longevity let's chat about all those who live a lifestyle just taunting a heart attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 If they are trying to quarantine and greatly restrict the movement of 1.4 billion people this isn’t the same as the flu..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 I wouldn't barricade myself in a room with a three year supply of Twinkies but I would definitely be cognizant of the danger. The government has bolstered personnel to deal with a possible situation. They're taking it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Indabuff said: I wouldn't barricade myself in a room with a three year supply of Twinkies Come on. I'd do that if I had the time. There has to be water, too, though. And books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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