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1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Really?    He cant even handle the head coach job. 

Hire Assistants?    Look at the PP and PK under his current assistants. 

 

Agree with moving him to a front office job but not HC and/or GM and not even President of Hockey Operations.  Something involving strategy, scouting, development of players. 

Boterill hired Ralph, there is no conspiracy for Ralph to replace him as GM. If one goes then its very likely they both go. 

I have noticed that for quite a while now, fans have suggested this idea of firing Botterill but retaining Ralph and maybe also elevating him to GM in the process.

I have no idea where that comes from.  I guess people figure Botterill is not a quality mind and the organization should move on from him, but that Ralph is a quality mind who should be retained for the organization's benefit in some way.

As you point out, they will likely both go as a pair.

No new GM is going to retain Ralph as his coach, unless he was ordered to do so by Pegula prior to hiring...and a guy who agrees to that is not the guy you want as your GM in the first place.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Kruppstahl said:

I have noticed that for quite a while now, fans have suggested this idea of firing Botterill but retaining Ralph and maybe also elevating him to GM in the process.

I have no idea where that comes from.  I guess people figure Botterill is not a quality mind and the organization should move on from him, but that Ralph is a quality mind who should be retained for the organization's benefit in some way.

As you point out, they will likely both go as a pair.

No new GM is going to retain Ralph as his coach, unless he was ordered to do so by Pegula prior to hiring...and a guy who agrees to that is not the guy you want as your GM in the first place.

 

 

There's no reason not to suggest these things. This team has patted itself on the back repeatedly for hiring "great hockey minds" only for them to turn out to be huge boobs. 

Making Krueger a GM and coach is not an outrageous idea given that, at this point, a child with a magic 8 ball would probably have done a better job than these hand-picked "hockey minds". 

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8 minutes ago, darksabre said:

There's no reason not to suggest these things. This team has patted itself on the back repeatedly for hiring "great hockey minds" only for them to turn out to be huge boobs. 

Making Krueger a GM and coach is not an outrageous idea given that, at this point, a child with a magic 8 ball would probably have done a better job than these hand-picked "hockey minds". 

Suggesting it on a discussion forum where people are here to discuss hockey is fine.

But it's just highly unlikely to happen.

Botterill will run his course and be fired at some point in time.  The question is when.

When he goes, Pegula will likely conduct another GM search and that GM will be hired and name his own head coach.

 

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1 minute ago, Kruppstahl said:

Suggesting it on a discussion forum where people are here to discuss hockey is fine.

But it's just highly unlikely to happen.

Botterill will run his course and be fired at some point in time.  The question is when.

When he goes, Pegula will likely conduct another GM search and that GM will be hired and name his own head coach.

 

They should just not hire anyone. Let a bucket of rusty water run the team for a few years. 

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11 minutes ago, darksabre said:

There's no reason not to suggest these things. This team has patted itself on the back repeatedly for hiring "great hockey minds" only for them to turn out to be huge boobs. 

Making Krueger a GM and coach is not an outrageous idea given that, at this point, a child with a magic 8 ball would probably have done a better job than these hand-picked "hockey minds". 

Making Krueger either the Team President or Director of Hockey Operations in lieu of being the coach, should Botterill get canned isn't outrageous.  Giving him 2 roles, both of which are full time jobs, would, on 1st glance, be "outrageous."

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8 minutes ago, MODO Hockey said:

You kidding right?

Nope. I think when JBot was hired (spring 2017) both he and fans probably looked at 2020-21 as the season when we should finally start competing again. Even with ROR on the roster, there were still a ton of holes to fill and a D-corp to redo and a farm system to rebuild. Through this year we needed to learn if Ullmark was NHL-ready (he is, maybe not a starter, but he's improved to NHL-level). Nothing in the past said that Hutton would completely fall off a cliff -- he was a solid veteran backup, he would hopefully continue to be a solid backup. We still had to either move (and no good return) or wait for Moulson and Bogo contracts to expire. This coming offseason is when JBot would really be able to go shopping -- for good or ill. The D-corp is now fairly constructed as he wants it (whether we like how it's built is irrelevant), and ROC and Cincinnati are now both self-sustaining and in the playoff race in back-to-back seasons.

The team is a mess on-ice at the moment. However, with the addition of a 2C and top-6 winger -- on paper I think we'd say next year this roster should be able to keep in the fight for a wild card. And of course, now we may need a goalie because Hutton appears broken, although goalies can waver wildly from year to year. It hurts that our division is viciously good, but we should be able to compete with Florida, Columbus, NYI, Carolina and the like next season. That's what I think was the timeline.

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12 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Making Krueger either the Team President or Director of Hockey Operations in lieu of being the coach, should Botterill get canned isn't outrageous.  Giving him 2 roles, both of which are full time jobs, would, on 1st glance, be "outrageous."

Missing the playoffs for 9 years in a row is also outrageous, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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1 hour ago, darksabre said:

Missing the playoffs for 9 years in a row is also outrageous, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Though the Pegulas haven't intentionally set anybody up for failure (DON'T look at Ted Nolan over there behind THAT curtain) but at times it may SEEM that way; really don't expect pulling a Costanza and going the opposite of what they think they should do to get good results (i.e. intentionally setting Krueger up TO fail) would actually work.

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12 hours ago, Curt said:

And have they had better results due to doing so?

Yes they have. Supposed to have been old and done and yet they are a solid team and better than last year. Kessel gone and size and toughness in. Watching them play philly right now and they have yet another big young guy in his first game. 6'5"   They understand you need a balanced roster with tough players to balance and protect your top skill guys. This Pens team could definitely make a run in the playoffs. 

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5 hours ago, Taro T said:

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And totally unrelated, just realized that for 60% of the time this board has existed this team has been on a playoff-less streak and nearly 75% of its existence the Sabres have missed.

That is Soooo depressing.

This made me think of the first days of the Sabres.  Gilbert. Roger Crozier.  A bunch of crusty old vets, and a few decent younger guys.  
 

Those first two teams missed the playoffs but the played inspired hard hockey - starting from expansion ashes.  Third year playoffs, fifth year finals. 

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2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Yes they have. Supposed to have been old and done and yet they are a solid team and better than last year. Kessel gone and size and toughness in. Watching them play philly right now and they have yet another big young guy in his first game. 6'5"   They understand you need a balanced roster with tough players to balance and protect your top skill guys. This Pens team could definitely make a run in the playoffs. 


You know which other Pen’s teams could definitely make a run in the playoffs?  The ones that won back to back cups.  Were those teams not balanced?  Were they too small?  Were they not tough enough?

So, are you saying the roster that they built when Botterill was there was unbalanced and inferior to what they have now, even though they won back to back cups at the end of Botterill‘s time there?

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On 1/31/2020 at 7:49 PM, PerreaultForever said:

Yes they have. Supposed to have been old and done and yet they are a solid team and better than last year. Kessel gone and size and toughness in. Watching them play philly right now and they have yet another big young guy in his first game. 6'5"   They understand you need a balanced roster with tough players to balance and protect your top skill guys. This Pens team could definitely make a run in the playoffs. 

Uh...Kessel’s Penguins teams won two cups. That’s the best result you can have...twice!

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