Kristian Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, wsam4031 said: they may not be official busts yet but when these guys get a whole season in the nhl and then get sent down its usually not a good sign. mitts cant even score in ROch. If im botts i trade him while he has any value, if he still does. i see Grigorenko written all over him Except Mitts can skate a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsam4031 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Kristian said: Except Mitts can skate a little. yea he doesn't skate like a figure skater true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kristian said: Except Mitts can skate a little. 15 minutes ago, wsam4031 said: yea he doesn't skate like a figure skater true! I see your Grigorenko, and raise you 1 Cody Hodgson. Think about the "wait til this guy gets here" or "wait til this guy is ready" guys in our system for nearly the last decade who are not on the team now, for one reason or the other. Most just never made it; some were traded for other players who never really made it. Some were traded to get guys like ROR but then ROR was given away for nothing so it was like giving the ROR deal players away for nothing. We just don't have much talent on the team and very little to show for the last 5/6/7/8 years of waiting/drafting/development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kruppstahl said: I see your Grigorenko, and raise you 1 Cody Hodgson. Think about the "wait til this guy gets here" or "wait til this guy is ready" guys in our system for nearly the last decade who are not on the team now, for one reason or the other. Most just never made it; some were traded for other players who never really made it. Some were traded to get guys like ROR but then ROR was given away for nothing so it was like giving the ROR deal players away for nothing. We just don't have much talent on the team and very little to show for the last 5/6/7/8 years of waiting/drafting/development. Cody Hodgson.... My god, I had forgotten that guy ever existed.... Until now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kristian said: Cody Hodgson.... My god, I had forgotten that guy ever existed.... Until now! He’s still on the payroll for two more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Zamboni said: He’s still on the payroll for two more years. He retired, didn’t he? How can he be on the payroll? Take up cap space I’d understand, but are we still paying that stiff??? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgang Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, Zamboni said: He’s still on the payroll for two more years. As depressing as things have been, this really struck a cord with me for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kristian said: He retired, didn’t he? How can he be on the payroll? Take up cap space I’d understand, but are we still paying that stiff??? ??? 12 minutes ago, cgang said: As depressing as things have been, this really struck a cord with me for some reason. Check it out. Scroll down to Buyout. and it’s three years. Not two. Edited February 21, 2020 by Zamboni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgang Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Check it out. Scroll down to Buyout. and it’s three years. Not two. Crazy. Just under $800k for the next three years : https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cody-hodgson depressing indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, cgang said: Crazy. Just under $800k for the next three years : https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cody-hodgson depressing indeed. Good freakin’ grief ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Y'all really in here trashing Hodgson? Dude had a rare medical condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, cgang said: Crazy. Just under $800k for the next three years : https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cody-hodgson depressing indeed. 16 minutes ago, Kristian said: Good freakin’ grief ??? Yes, it is not good, but nothing is as bad as the Christian Ehrhoff 10 year fiasco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: Downright mediocre teams compete for the playoffs this year, and replacing Hutton with average backup goaltending would have us probably right down to the wire this season alone, so while I agree that we are a few years out from being a seriously good team there's no reason outside incompetence why we can't have an exciting March and April next season Edited February 22, 2020 by PerreaultForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: You've just forgotten what replacement-level GMing is capable of Its not an impressive feat to be in the 12-16 range of teams and solid managing and a solid offseason can put most non-first-year-of-rebuild teams in contention for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, darksabre said: Y'all really in here trashing Hodgson? Dude had a rare medical condition. Who is Y’all? I posted how we owe him money for three years. Full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kruppstahl said: I see your Grigorenko, and raise you 1 Cody Hodgson. Think about the "wait til this guy gets here" or "wait til this guy is ready" guys in our system for nearly the last decade who are not on the team now, for one reason or the other. Most just never made it; some were traded for other players who never really made it. Some were traded to get guys like ROR but then ROR was given away for nothing so it was like giving the ROR deal players away for nothing. We just don't have much talent on the team and very little to show for the last 5/6/7/8 years of waiting/drafting/development. This. Good comparison. Question is how can we do a reverse Kassian trade? We need to find a trade partner where we give the weaker Hodgson type player (Casey) and receive a bigger/stronger player (like Zack) with more smarts. Edited February 22, 2020 by Broken Ankles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Brawndo said: Not if I want certain people to continue to share information with me Just kidding....keep the info coming it's well appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgang Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, darksabre said: Y'all really in here trashing Hodgson? Dude had a rare medical condition. Does that mean you are ok giving part of the Sabres cap (almost $900k per year for the next 3 years) to him when his last season with us was in 2015? I don’t like Ehrhoff’s buyout either. https://www.capfriendly.com/players/christian-ehrhoff So between the two of them we have almost $2m in dead cap space. Good for you if you don’t find that kind of hard to take/regretful. Edited February 22, 2020 by cgang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, cgang said: Does that mean you are ok giving part of the Sabres cap (almost $900k per year for the next 3 years) to him when his last season with us was in 2015? I don’t like Ehrhoff’s buyout either. https://www.capfriendly.com/players/christian-ehrhoff So between the two of them we have almost $2m in dead cap space. Good for you if you don’t find that kind of hard to take/regretful. Ehrhoff was a compliance buyout. He doesn't cost any cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgang Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 Ah thx. Sorry my mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: You've just forgotten what replacement-level GMing is capable of Its not an impressive feat to be in the 12-16 range of teams and solid managing and a solid offseason can put most non-first-year-of-rebuild teams in contention for it Sorry, but if it's that simple, we should already be there. The problem here runs deeper imo and thus is not easy to fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Broken Ankles said: This. Good comparison. Question is how can we do a reverse Kassian trade? We need to find a trade partner where we give the weaker Hodgson type player (Casey) and receive a bigger/stronger player (like Zack) with more smarts. Cody Hodgson was the better player. Without his medical issue he would have easily out produced Kassian. Hodgson wasn't weak and it's revisionist to imply he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Sorry, but if it's that simple, we should already be there. The problem here runs deeper imo and thus is not easy to fix. It is that simple. The problem is our GM traded pillars for cinder blocks and thinks bad players are good. That's the reason we aren't already there. It's been highlighted in my last 8,000 or so posts 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 22, 2020 Report Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) PA uses analytics; car chases dog Why you keep Krueger: Sabres were 4th in cycle chances in February Why you dump Botterill: Sabres were 29th in cycle goals in February The system works, the coach is good. The players suck. Edited February 22, 2020 by PASabreFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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