bunomatic Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 I seem to remember the internal competition mantra from the preseason. I’m not sure if any of that is being applied or if it was a feel good story to make us believe this team operated like every other team in the league. Jimmy Vesey to me seems like every other average to below average fringe player. Its hindsight but I’m not thrilled with what he brings. Change my mind Jimmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, LGR4GM said: So he can float there too waiting to cash in on someone elses work? I wish they had never traded for him. I agree. But you can criticise his linemates for the same stuff. They're not getting anything done either. The lack of NHL players in general is a problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, bunomatic said: I seem to remember the internal competition mantra from the preseason. I’m not sure if any of that is being applied or if it was a feel good story to make us believe this team operated like every other team in the league. Jimmy Vesey to me seems like every other average to below average fringe player. Its hindsight but I’m not thrilled with what he brings. Change my mind Jimmy. Internal competition to me implies that lack of success means losing your spot to the next guy. Have seen no evidence yet that is the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, dudacek said: Internal competition to me implies that lack of success means losing your spot to the next guy. Have seen no evidence yet that is the case here. Can't lose your spot to the next guy if there is no next guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 We need two threads purely about Vesey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, dudacek said: Internal competition to me implies that lack of success means losing your spot to the next guy. Have seen no evidence yet that is the case here. Everyones equally bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, dudacek said: Internal competition to me implies that lack of success means losing your spot to the next guy. Have seen no evidence yet that is the case here. It is a major issue with this team and we see it constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, Curt said: We need two threads purely about Vesey? Eventually I think one of the mods will merge the new one into this one. It may take some time, as being a mod here is not a full time gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Curt said: We need two threads purely about Vesey? 20 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said: Eventually I think one of the mods will merge the new one into this one. It may take some time, as being a mod here is not a full time gig. I need to pay closer attention. The new Vesey thread had been merged about an hour ago. Watching this site is not my full time gig. Sorry about that mix up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, darksabre said: I agree. But you can criticise his linemates for the same stuff. They're not getting anything done either. The lack of NHL players in general is a problem. What player, other than Lazar who is a tweener, that dressed last night isn't an NHLer? The issue is, only 3 forwards dressed last night are true top 6 guys. (And a cynic would say that's also how many top 9 dressed as well.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Taro T said: What player, other than Lazar who is a tweener, that dressed last night isn't an NHLer? The issue is, only 3 forwards dressed last night are true top 6 guys. (And a cynic would say that's also how many top 9 dressed as well.) Vesey, Rodrigues, and Mittelstadt could all be in the A right now. Even Olofsson is questionable given his lack of 5 v 5 production and how much the PP has cooled off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, darksabre said: Vesey, Rodrigues, and Mittelstadt could all be in the A right now. Even Olofsson is questionable given his lack of 5 v 5 production and how much the PP has cooled off. Well heck, had Montour not broken his hand in training camp Jokiharju WOULD be in Ra-cha-cha right now. Doesn't make him an AHLer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Well heck, had Montour not broken his hand in training camp Jokiharju WOULD be in Ra-cha-cha right now. Doesn't make him an AHLer. It kinda does. Luckily for him, and us, it looks like he's actually a real hockey player, and not just masquerading as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Hell, Tage Thompson played 65 games last year and he's an AHLer. And from what Botterill said yesterday on WGR he's going to be one for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Mike Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 3 hours ago, inkman said: Third round picks in the NHL are worth slightly more than my dingleberrys Then your dingleberrys are worth twice as much in the NHL than Vesey. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, inkman said: Third round picks in the NHL are worth slightly more than my dingleberrys Cap space, however... - - - Vesey has been bad. Not invisible, just bad. More concerning is what he was brought in to do. Botterill was counting on him to provide depth scoring? Come on, Botts. Edited November 15, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Isn't Vesey's lack of scoring directly tied to Mittlestadt? Jimmy isn't going to create much on his own. He needs a set up man, has Casey done a good job of that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, inkman said: Isn't Vesey's lack of scoring directly tied to Mittlestadt? Jimmy isn't going to create much on his own. He needs a set up man, has Casey done a good job of that? Or ... if Casey had a real finisher he would be contributing more. Vessey does not seem to keep up with NHL speed. Wasn’t Vessey a garbage collector goal scorer? Picked up loose pucks and such? He cannot finish or shoot like a top 6 goal scorer, maybe not even a top 9. The Rangers traded his 15 goals per season for not much. Edited November 16, 2019 by Pimlach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, inkman said: Isn't Vesey's lack of scoring directly tied to Mittlestadt? Jimmy isn't going to create much on his own. He needs a set up man, has Casey done a good job of that? This touches on a key point: not everyone can play with Jack Eichel. As much a Botterill’s strategy of Eichel needing to Be Crosby has holes in it’s conception, even if we did slap an 87 on his back he can’t play on every line. Too few impact players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Pimlach said: Or ... if Casey had a real finisher he would be contributing more. Vessey does not seem to keep up with NHL speed. Wasn’t Vessey a garbage collector goal scorer? Picked up loose pucks and such? He cannot finish or shoot like a top 6 goal scorer, maybe not even a top 9. The Rangers traded his 15 goals per season for not much. Scoring garbage goals is still a goal scoring skill. It requires a willingness to go hard to the net, strength and proper timing. Also requires someone to create danger/chaos around the net that they can take advantage of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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