Taro T Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, darksabre said: Does the AHL not do IR? There was an Athletic Article yesterday that said Pilut was close. Assuming he's been cleared to play, so was able to be sent down. The AHL does have IR, but guys that are on NHL rosters can't be demoted while injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, LGR4GM said: I think Thompson looked better than Okposo. He was at least more impactful. There's coach speak and then there's contracts. Okposo stays because TT doesn't need to clear waivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said: He was so much better than Kyle. Everyone was, even Sobotka. So they'd actually save some small amount of cap dollars? Is the only REAL thing preventing it, then, the fact that he's a vet and a good soldier and all of the misfortune surrounding his situation? They get like, 1.125mil in cap or something like that. It's not much, but it might be helpful. I think the reason he hasn't been waived is that they want to let him lose his job in the regular season. There might be some veteran respect stuff going on there. Perhaps they're holding out to see if he'll retire voluntarily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, darksabre said: They get like, 1.125mil in cap or something like that. It's not much, but it might be helpful. I think the reason he hasn't been waived is that they want to let him lose his job in the regular season. There might be some veteran respect stuff going on there. Perhaps they're holding out to see if he'll retire voluntarily. I think they are keeping him because of the old veteran leadership cliche. 3 minutes ago, pi2000 said: There's coach speak and then there's contracts. Okposo stays because TT doesn't need to clear waivers. Okposo would clear waivers and if not we should all celebrate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) So they sent down more than they had to, there is a roster spot open. Is this simply a cap savings move, or are they going to put in a waiver claim? Edited September 30, 2019 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Get claimed? They are running him on the 2nd line they aren't even going to waive him but instead promoted him. It's a ***** joke. Let's see what lines look like at the Wednesday skate. I still think it could be a feint to pump him up a bit before they waive him, hoping that another team will pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 So it's: VO-Eichel-Reino Skinner-MoJo-Sobotka Vesey-Mitts-Sheary Zemgus-Larsson-KO Extra: ERod Dahlin-Miller Risto-McCabe Scandy-Joker Extra: Gilmour IR: Bogo, Montour Right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, LGR4GM said: I think they are keeping him because of the old veteran leadership cliche. I mean, he's an Assistant Captain, right? That probably counts for something in the room. I think a "players coach" like Krueger might see some value in letting Kyle have 5-6 games of regular season before making the final call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: So they sent down more than they had to, there is a roster spot open. Is this simply a cap savings move, or are they going to put in a waiver claim? Probably allows them to think about a claim without having to then waive someone else. What are their numbers of players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Jokiharju over Nelson is surprising to me for reasons listed up-thread. Im not surprised by Tage given the way Ralph used him. but I do think he deserved a spot over some who made it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, darksabre said: I mean, he's an Assistant Captain, right? That probably counts for something in the room. I think a "players coach" like Krueger might see some value in letting Kyle have 5-6 games of regular season before making the final call. I think they will make him the 4th line RW and give him pp2 time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, LGR4GM said: I think they will make him the 4th line RW and give him pp2 time. Probably. But he needs to produce on PP2 or he's done. I don't think he did much there last year compared to the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Probably allows them to think about a claim without having to then waive someone else. What are their numbers of players? One extra D, one extra forward. Freeman nailed it upthread, although I hope it’s not ERod sitting. Maybe Montour is close, too? Edited September 30, 2019 by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, nfreeman said: So it's: VO-Eichel-Reino Skinner-MoJo-Sobotka Vesey-Mitts-Sheary Zemgus-Larsson-KO Extra: ERod Dahlin-Miller Risto-McCabe Scandy-Joker Extra: Gilmour IR: Bogo, Montour Right? Looks like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, nfreeman said: So it's: VO-Eichel-Reino Skinner-MoJo-Sobotka Vesey-Mitts-Sheary Zemgus-Larsson-KO Extra: ERod Dahlin-Miller Risto-McCabe Scandy-Joker Extra: Gilmour IR: Bogo, Montour Right? I think the players are right, idk about the final slotting of them. Daniel Sprong is on waivers and would have been a Penguins draft pick under Botts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Jokiharju over Nelson is surprising to me for reasons listed up-thread. Im not surprised by Tage given the way Ralph used him. but I do think he deserved a spot over some who made it. Which is weird, because I didn't even think Joki was very good in the prospect tournament, much less preseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, nfreeman said: So it's: VO-Eichel-Reino Skinner-MoJo-Sobotka Vesey-Mitts-Sheary Zemgus-Larsson-KO Extra: ERod Dahlin-Miller Risto-McCabe Scandy-Joker Extra: Gilmour IR: Bogo, Montour Right? I'd have to assume McCabe is ok with they waived Nelson and sent Pilut down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Is RFK's European bias showing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 kreuger said that the final cuts would come down to situational need, no? I think the last slots were based on role and not skill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Doohickie said: Is RFK's European bias showing? I wouldn't read too much into this right now. My gut feeling is that things could look different in a few weeks. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Okposo would clear waivers and if not we should all celebrate. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted September 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, darksabre said: I mean, he's an Assistant Captain, right? That probably counts for something in the room. I think a "players coach" like Krueger might see some value in letting Kyle have 5-6 games of regular season before making the final call. Moulson wasn’t waived until Mid-October correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Brawndo said: Moulson wasn’t waived until Mid-October correct? Even later: December 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: He was so much better than Kyle. Everyone was, even Sobotka. So they'd actually save some small amount of cap dollars? Is the only REAL thing preventing it, then, the fact that he's a vet and a good soldier and all of the misfortune surrounding his situation? Having Okposo on the roster doesn't save cap $'s, but if Bogosian is going to BF-LTIR (along w/ Hunwick) and they can fit this entire roster under the cap (which they have to do before invoking BF-LTIR) by having Kyle's cap hit on the roster rather than say Thompson, the Sabres effectively have a larger cap than they would if it were the other way around. While a guy is on BF-LTIR, the team can exceed the cap essentially by how much that player's cap hit being added to the team cap would cause the team to exceed the cap. Huh? In English please. Certainly. For ease of calculations, let's assume with everybody still up, the Sabres are $1MM below the cap. And let's say Bogosian gets a cap hit @5MM. So by placing his $5MM on BF-LTIR, the Sabres effective cap is now $4MM over the cap. (Original cap - cap space available at time guy went on BF-LTIR + player cap hit.). Had Thompson been up and Okposo down and if Okposo 's contract is $4MM more than Thompsons, then putting Bogosian on BF-LTIR gains no cap relief because the team would still be within the cap with his on BF-LTIR. It's essentially the reason the Loafs traded to get Clarkson 's cap hit back to get the full usage of BF-LTIR cap relief as with his contract the Loafs are very tight to the cap but wouldn't be without it. Or, stated another way, whatever your team's total cap hit is at the time you place a guy on BF-LTIR is the amount of cap space your team can use while that guy is on BF-LTIR. (If you're $1 MM below cap including his salary, your new cap not including his salary is $1MM below the league wide cap.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, darksabre said: I mean, he's an Assistant Captain, right? That probably counts for something in the room. I think a "players coach" like Krueger might see some value in letting Kyle have 5-6 games of regular season before making the final call. He WAS an Alternate. He wasn't wearing the A in this preseason though several others did wear it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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