PerreaultForever Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 9:48 AM, freester said: The leafs are much improved with Tyson Barrie. He’s going to have a monster year. You think he can log 40+ minutes - cause the rest of their D is pretty thin after him and Reilly. Just Muzzin, and he's getting long in the tooth. D will still be their weakness and I think Barrie is only a small upgrade from Gardner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 When will this turn into a public trade request? It seems pretty clear to me that the request has already been privately made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: When will this turn into a public trade request? It seems pretty clear to me that the request has already been privately made. There has to have been and most certainly continue to be conversations between Botts and other GM's on Risto. Some teams need a skill set such as that. Will it happen? Most likely, but who really knows, maybe they are all trying to low ball Botts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: There has to have been and most certainly continue to be conversations between Botts and other GM's on Risto. Some teams need a skill set such as that. Will it happen? Most likely, but who really knows, maybe they are all trying to low ball Botts? Other GMs know the scoop. The Sabres have a glut of NHL level D now, so they will be low balling JBOT. The waiting on RFAs is a load of crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, dudacek said: When will this turn into a public trade request? It seems pretty clear to me that the request has already been privately made. I don't think Risto has explicitly asked for a trade. I think he explicitly voiced his displeasure with being on a bad team for so many years and likely offered something along the lines of "I want to play on a better team and I don't care how that happens." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, darksabre said: I don't think Risto has explicitly asked for a trade. I think he explicitly voiced his displeasure with being on a bad team for so many years and likely offered something along the lines of "I want to play on a better team and I don't care how that happens." I don’t think it was a Denis Lemieux “trade me right ***** now,” I don’t think Risto is wired that way. Regardless how it was phrased, I think he reached the point of “I can’t take any more of this” and a summer away and the moves we have made don’t seem to have refreshed him. I will not be surprised if he comes to camp with a huge chip on his shoulder and the potential for being a distraction. And the only thing that will remove that chip is winning. Edited August 20, 2019 by dudacek 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 I wouldn't doubt that JBotts told him "let's shoot for the trade deadline. Get better and if we still aren't a winning team, I'll have more to work with in getting a good return." Don't want another ROR fiascal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, dudacek said: I don’t think it was a Denis Lemieux “trade me right ***** now,” I don’t think Risto is wired that way. Regardless how it was phrased, I think he reached the point of “I can’t take any more of this” and a summer away and the moves we have made don’t seemed to have refreshed him. I will not be surprised if he comes to camp with a huge chip on his shoulder and the potential for being a distraction. And the only thing that will remove that chip is winning. I can see it from Risto's perspective. You've been taking a beating for years now. You've had a handful of coaches. Maybe you don't like your teammates too much. You're not excited to come back for another season of the same faces, in the same lockers and the same city. Maybe a good camp would get him back in the right head space. Or maybe camp becomes a pressure cooker and he blows up. Either is possible, and understandable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Risto has never said he wanted out. Ever! Change the GD thread title! Paul Hamilton is the devil. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, SwampD said: Risto has never said he wanted out. Ever! Change the GD thread title! Paul Hamilton is the devil. No. Foosball is the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said: Foosball is the devil. Could never master that pin-kick, could you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said: No. Foosball is the devil. 15 hours ago, Doohickie said: Could never master that pin-kick, could you? https://images.app.goo.gl/JiuHeSLQ7SdF5Pci9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Yet another pop culture reference I know nothing about. I take that's from a series/movie or some sort? *Googles* Waterboy, huh? Never saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Yet another pop culture reference I know nothing about. I take that's from a series/movie or some sort? *Googles* Waterboy, huh? Never saw it. You didn’t miss anything by not watching it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, Brawndo said: You didn’t miss anything by not watching it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 It’s well worth watching if only to enjoy Kathy Bates chewing on the scenery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 Worst. Off-season. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 For those freaking out about having to trade Risto or Botterill being in a corner... Botterill does not have to trade Risto. He can literally start the year with Risto, Miller, and Montour on the right. Nelson is the extra and Jokiharju starts in Rochester. As for cap concerns, you waive 2 players and are cap compliant. This is a non issue and one of the reasons nothing has happened. It hasn't happened because it doesn't have to happen. Low ball Bots all you want, he can simply not make a trade. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 21 hours ago, Brawndo said: You didn’t miss anything by not watching it Not true. He missed seeing The Waterboy. Why would you lie to him? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 hours ago, Marchand'sNose said: Worst. Off-season. Ever. ... let me tell you about the time we signed Ville Leino to be our #1 center... or the time Chris Drury and Daniel Briere left the franchise on the same day... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: ... let me tell you about the time we signed Ville Leino to be our #1 center... or the time Chris Drury and Daniel Briere left the franchise on the same day... Doesn't make me resent Marner any less right now though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 17 hours ago, Marchand'sNose said: Worst. Off-season. Ever. Probably not ever. But maybe relative to expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) If you go by points, the Sabres worst off-seasons ever were: 2013 (dropped 30 points)* We traded our best players for picks, hired Ron Rolston and deliberately bottomed out 2008 (23 points) We let our co-captains walk for free 1978 (17 points) We sat on our ‘75 team one more season 1990 (17 points) we made one of the biggest trades in franchise history, Housley for Hawerchuk 2001 (16 points) We dumped Hasek for nothing 1986 (16 points) We brought in a handful of over-the-hill vets and counted on Scotty’s young core to take a big step 2017 (16 points) We fired Murray and Bylsma and brought in Botterill and Housley The best were: 1972 (improved by 37 points) Added Schoenfeld as a rookie to the emerging young core Punch had assembled the previous two years. 1974 (37 points) Added Stanfield, hired Floyd Smith and got healthy 2015 (27 points) Added Eichel O‘Reilly, Kane and Lehner 2004 (25 points)* Dumped Satan and Brown, Added Lydman, had the youngsters take a huge step during the lockout. 1979 (22 points) Fired Imlach, Added Bowman, traded Robert for Van Boxmeer 1987 (21 points) Rookie trio of Shepard, Turgeon, Johansson, replaced fired Bowman with Meehan and Sator. 1996 (19 points) Lost Lafontaine to injury most of the season It’s interesting that only once (2015) was a huge jump in the standings preceded by a flashy off-season of major additions. Edited August 21, 2019 by dudacek 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 I’ve decided to sweep it all under the rug and burn the house down. Only way way my head survives an off season. Now if if I need to sweep my head under a rug , that’s different. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 21, 2019 Report Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, dudacek said: It’s interesting that only once (2015) was a huge jump in the standings preceded by a flashy off-season of major additions. I knew Botterill had a burner account on Sabrespace! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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