steveoath Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Thats what they said about Vanek Roy and Max. In a third line role the speed and skill of that line would have a huge advantage over many 3rd lines in the NHL creating a plus matchup for us, much line the Vanek line did. Also Vesey has proven to be defensively reliable this season and a pretty good Fair point, I just don't think mitts is strong enough and don't know if RK would give the line favourable matchups. It if you get your 2c and the GLo line stays, you're probably right that JV DC CM line is the 3rd line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 If we agree JB got the D sorted last off season. Does anyone work with the idea that he can do the same to the offense this off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Think it just comes down to what kind of deals Larry and Girgs want. We don’t have many 4th line grinders in the minors they’re in the way of, so giving them term isn’t a problem. Just cap hit. I think whether they stay or not is on them and if they want more money to get into a different team atmosphere. Given they’ve rode out the tank and are seeing the change, do they want to? Botts is going to get blamed one way or another on these guys, but ultimately I think it’s all in their court. Edited February 23, 2020 by triumph_communes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 minute ago, steveoath said: If we agree JB got the D sorted last off season. Does anyone work with the idea that he can do the same to the offense this off season? I’m not sure. Mojo and Lazar were good acquisitions. Erik Haula, who a center, was traded by Vegas for a Conditional 5th and Nicholas Roy. We know that he was involved in talks with Vegas because of the Miller Trade. Would the third sent to New York for Vesey have been better served going to Vegas as part of a package for him? Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Weave said: Some folks here are criminally underrating Girgs and Larry. They are genuinely very good at their role and I am certain we will miss them if they are gone. Anyone who is still of the opinion that they are a drag on the team isn't judging based on this seasons' performance. 1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said: Or last season's. They've been at this level for 140+ games now, which is why I'd be comfortable giving them nice raises to stay 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Yep, unless Larry has specifically told Botterill that he has no interest in re signing here, there is no reason to move him. I agree. It is valuable that they have a bottom 6 line that can take tough matchups and not get caved in. It creates freedom to use other lines in more favorable situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: Larry is pacing for 25 points. Find me guys who get the defensive usage Larsson does, who have the shot suppression success he does, and put up that many points. There are very, very few, even on the best teams. After a hot start, Lazar has cooled back down and has 1 point in his last 12 games. On his career he averages 17 points per full season's worth of games. He would not handle being the center of a line with Larsson's line's responsibility as well as Larry does. he's the perfect 13 forward, but on a healthy team that you want going places, you don't want him slotted higher than your fourth line, and he's not worth letting go any of GLO if they want to stay here This. We need to keep Larsson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted February 23, 2020 Report Share Posted February 23, 2020 I might be a teensy wee bit drunk right now, but I hope JBot resigns 22&28 that line is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 I love those two already, but they should get free beer and wings for life if they come back here next year after all they’ve endured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 So Kahun... We have Kahun, Cozens, Thompson, Ruustolainen to consider for the roster next season potentially. Maybe toss Mitts out there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Finish the Anderson trade Montour + for Copp Find a 2C Skinner - Eichel - Anderson Olofsson - 2C - Reinhart Kahun - Copp - Johansson GLO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: So Kahun... We have Kahun, Cozens, Thompson, Ruustolainen to consider for the roster next season potentially. Maybe toss Mitts out there too. Given his pedigree and Bott’s attachment to him, I think you absolutely have to think Casey will be given every opportunity to be on the team next October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Thompson, Mittlestadt, and Cozens all need another year at least. So we're still looking for a 2C and some forward help going into this summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, WildCard said: Thompson, Mittlestadt, and Cozens all need another year at least. So we're still looking for a 2C and some forward help going into this summer Anthony Cirelli. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, LGR4GM said: Anthony Cirelli. RNH is a free agent this summer. We also don't have a 3rd to qualify Cirelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: So Kahun... We have Kahun, Cozens, Thompson, Ruustolainen to consider for the roster next season potentially. Maybe toss Mitts out there too. Most everybody here has Mittelstadt sliding to the wing and Cozens playing C. Except for about 4 games during his very 1st stint with the Sabres, he's always been a C with this organization and in college. If both he and Cozens make the team next year, believe there's a far greater likelihood that Mitts plays C than Cozens does. (Especially given the success Cozens had at the WJC as a RW.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 I too believe Cozens will start at RW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Jbot has some interesting choices to make this summer. One can easily make a case for Larsson, Z and Vesey to be re-signed. We now have 10 RFAs to re-sign as well including 6 forwards in Reinhart, VO, Kahun, Lazar, Thompson and Mitts plus Montour, Pilut, Ullmark and Johansson. We have 10 (4 forwards, 5 D) players under contract plus Hutton. Kids Asplund, Cozens and Routsalainen could make a run at a roster spot. How they use Kahun and how he plays could make a huge impact on what Jbot does in the summer. Is he a center or winger? Can he play up and develop some chemistry with Skinner or is he just another bottom 6 forward. My guess right now is that he is Vesey’s replacement as the 3LW next fall. I now we only 1 forward job opening next fall and that remains 2C. VO Jack Reinhart Skinner 2C MoJo Kahun Cozens Mitts/Thompson Girgensons Larsson KO Lazar I’m not sure how Jbot gets the 2C, but I think he makes another stab at it this summer using Miller, Montour or Risto as a key piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 Why should we sign Vesey? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Why should we sign Vesey? Reliable two way forward that probably won’t break the bank to re-sign who can provide more offense when paired with a decent center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Why should we sign Vesey? Because Krueger trusts him would be the primary reason. If Kahun can reliably play at least as a 3rd liner as either a W or C, then the Sabres can afford to trade 1 of Ristolainen, Montour, and Miller along with 1 of Mittelstadt, Thompson, and Cozens (or even Kahun) as the centerpiece of a trade for a TRUE 2C especially if the Larsson line comes back intact. Throw in a good prospect and a good pick and the team has a quality C spine. (Would prefer not to lose either highly drafted young C, but that could be the price to finally stop talking about the trade that shall not be mentioned.) And that would reopen a space for Vesey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 I’m trading TB Miller and our 1st as soon as their season ends for Cirelli. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 In Kahun-Mojo-Reinhart could we have a line of 3 "maybe center, maybe wingers" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Here is next year’s forward lines, as I imagine them right now. Between the prospects and any returning UFA’s, it shouldn’t be an issue filling out the bottom-6, possibly even the available top-6 wing spot if very lucky. The #1 issue remains a good C to play behind Jack. I’m still expecting that will need to be a D+ trade in the offseason. Eichel, Olofsson, Reinhart Skinner, xxxx, xxxx Kahun, xxxx, Johansson Lazar, xxxx, Okposo Prospects: Cozens Mitts Thompson Routsalainen Asplund 2020 1st rounder UFA’s: Larsson Girgensons Vesey Simmonds Frolik Sobotka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 7:48 AM, dudacek said: Olofsson Eichel Reinhart Skinner ???? ???? ??? ??? Johansson Girgensons Larsson Okposo Lazar Montour Risto Dahlin Miller McCabe Jokiharju Pilut Ullmark ??? As far as I am concerned the D is set. Thompson, Casey, Asplund and Cozens battle for two of the ??? up front (Tage and Casey may have to clear waivers next season). Hutton needs to be upgraded and we need two forwards: one Larry/Marcus level, the other better than that, and the latter should be a centre. We should have 15 million-ish to play with after re-signing our free agents. Our first this year or next should be flipped in a TJ Miller type trade (I‘ll always wonder how close we were on that one) and we can acquire the other forward and the goalie in a smaller trade, or in the UFA market. We arent that far away. If the bottom hadn’t dropped out on Skinner and Hutton we’d be in the race right now. On 2/23/2020 at 9:09 AM, Weave said: 4 out of 6 middle forwards is pretty far away, especially when 2 are centers. That is a ton to replace in the offseason. Unfortunately, of the players mentioned, IMO only Cozens has a crack at being an improvement, or even status quo, next season over our current middle 6, and he isn't a given (I know you know that). We haven't seen him yet, but Kahun certainly can project into one of the ??? spots. The flip side of that is we haven't seen him yet, and his profile pre-Buffalo has more in common than Sheary and Vesey than I'd like admit. Botterill needs a blind squirrel moment almost as bad as we need a Danny Briere trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, WildCard said: Thompson, Mittlestadt, and Cozens all need another year at least. So we're still looking for a 2C and some forward help going into this summer I think you are assuming facts not in evidence. We have no idea whether TT, CM and DC will ready next year or not, but for skill reasons, cap reasons and TT waiver reasons all three could make the Sabres next fall. That said the addition of Kahun gives Jbot greater flexibility and we still need a 2C. Edited February 25, 2020 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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